Social Communication Website
Hi, folks. I'm the mom of a son with autism and a professor of sociolinguistics (which is all about how people typically encode social information in the way they speak, not just in what they say). I got really frustrated looking at all the social skills training curricula out there, because they never take the way people speak into account, and so I started putting together information (and examples, and exercises) that I thought my son might find useful. Eventually, I got some of my students involved in the project, and it grew and grew into a website. Our working title was "NT Speak," because I thought of it as a user's guide for neurotypical conversations, but so many people told me that this information isn't just useful for the autism community that I changed the title to the more generic "social communication."
The website has gone live now, and I would LOVE to get your feedback on it. (Are there things you think are not well-explained? Are there questions you have that the site doesn't address? Are there places where I seem to talk down to the user, not meeting my goal of respecting my users' intelligence? etc.) (Each page within the site has a Comment box, or I'll follow this thread, if you prefer to post here.)
Please note that I am NOT trying to sell anything here. The site (hosted by my university) has no sponsorship, no ads, no cookies. I'll never know whether you visited unless you leave a comment. I just wanted to create a free resource, sharing what I've learned over the years by studying linguistics, interpersonal communication, psychology, etc.
Wrong Planet has the very sensible policy of not allowing posts with URLs from new members (which I totally understand because you would not BELIEVE the number of spam comments I've received since the site went live), but I've already told you the title of the site, and I can tell you that my school is Truman State University (which, of course, has the domain of truman-dot-edu, so if you just run the title together (no quotation marks or spaces or underlines)-dot-truman-dot-edu, you'll find the site.
Thanks!
I can't figure out where ^this website is.
I got this far from Google searching, then was utterly lost...
http://www.truman.edu/majors-programs/majors-minors/communication-major/
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Wrong Planet still won't let me just give the address, because it's only been four days since I joined. I'll come back tomorrow and try again. In the meantime, if you search Google for "socialcommunication" (all run together, no spaces) and "truman," pages from my site are the first results.
Thanks for trying! I would really love the feedback....
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^Thank you
Checking it out now.
EDIT: Read through & watched the videos & did the self-test questions under "Attitudes & Emotions"-"Social Initiation".
When I went to go to the next module, "Expressing Emotions",
http://socialcommunication.truman.edu/expressing-emotions
I got this msg. instead:
404
We couldn't find anything, try searching.
The other sections under "Attitudes & Emotions" had content, so it seems just "Expressing Emotions" is missing.
Is the site under construction still at this point ? Liked it so far, please update.
EDIT 2: Went back to the site and did a search, as it instructed, and this came up:
http://socialcommunication.truman.edu/attitudes-emotions/expressing-emotion/
Perhaps that was the missing module ? Maybe the link from "Attitudes & Emotions" overview page (which is how I selected "Expressing Emotions" section)
http://socialcommunication.truman.edu/attitudes-emotions/
needs to be replaced/switched, since somehow it doesn't work identically ?
^It works properly when "Expressing Emotions" is clicked on from the icons at left side of page,
but it goes to the "404 error" if one clicks on "Expressing Emotion" from the text description (with the clickable phrases in it) on the right.
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I didn't read the whole thing, but I didn't see anything new there.
This might be helpful to somebody who has never read a book on communication, but it in no way helps me who understands the rules but can't read the cues.
THere are also a ton of other things at play in society. Many times the problem isn't that I'm speaking too much, it's that people speak over me when I try to say something or something like that - some power struggle that I can't comprehend seems to be going on.
Also, I understand that I have communication deficits, but when I look around me, everybody does. SOme people just brag about themselves too much, others cry at the drop of a hat, some are obvious liars. I don't understand what it is about MY PARTICULAR deficit that makes it worse than any of those, yet I am treated almost like a criminal sometimes.
But I sort of get tired of so-called "NTs," and their "helpful" information that never really explains the things I don't understand. If you approach the problem from your world view, you will never get it right.
Also, you still have error messages.
You're absolutely right that everyone struggles with this stuff in one way or another. That's why the site isn't aimed specifically at people with autism, and why my students all got so interested in the questions.
This might be helpful to somebody who has never read a book on communication, but it in no way helps me who understands the rules but can't read the cues.
I'm sorry you didn't find anything new here -- did you try any of the exercises?
This is exactly why I'm asking for your help! If there are specific questions you have that my students and I can try to elaborate on, we'd be happy to try. I'm afraid I'm probably too old to change my worldview in any substantial way at this point, but if there are particular issues with the text (places you can point to where I'm oblivious to something that's obvious to you, or places where you find the tone off-putting, or what have you), that would certainly be useful to me.
I spent a few hours trying to find & fix broken links, and I hope I got them all! (With 61 associated pages, and each one containing multiple links, it's kind of a nightmare....) My university insists on using WordPress for all its pages, and it seems to respond differently to people coming from inside the network than from other locations, so links that worked fine when I tested them didn't always work properly from off-campus. But, as I said, I think I've managed to fix those problems, now. If you find links that don't work, I'd certainly appreciate specific pointers to them (because I do not want to go back through all 61 pages again!)....
Thanks for your patience.
The whole thing started when I was trying to specific answer questions my son asked me (like "why should I look at people when they talk?" and "how am I supposed to know how someone is feeling if they don't tell me?", etc.), and then grew out of discussions I had with students at my school (a support group of sorts for people who felt socially challenged, only a few of whom had diagnoses of any kind, most of them not on the spectrum). I am honestly not trying to "fix" anyone, and certainly not my son, who is entirely awesome! I am just trying to create a place that breaks down and analyzes how most people communicate, for the benefit of anyone who feels like they're missing out on that information in the first place.
This is not the only community I have asked to look at the site (but it is the only autism-related one). And I didn't post to the whole WrongPlanet community, just to a forum where I've noticed people asking similar questions and expressing similar concerns.
I understand that this is a negative evaluation, and that you obviously don't want to spend your time helping me, and so I don't really expect you to respond again, but I really wish you would explain specifically what you found "messed up". If you think the whole project is simply misguided, there's probably not much I can do about that. But if there are specific things I can address, I will certainly consider doing so. Obviously, no website or curriculum is going to be one-size-fits-all, and it may simply be that you are not the right audience for this, and that's fine....
What I meant by messed up, was too many broken links.
So if your entire goal revolves around helping people who are uncomfortable in communication and/or not good at reading things, why is it only about the other point of view? WHy nothing to help others explain how they feel and how no matter how many times they read your website they still not be able to read all social cues, what that feels like for them. What it feels like when people respond to that with hostility even though they are trying to get it right? Your goal is to fix the problem from a one-sided perspective, which is yours. WHich is FIXING him.
If I was the mother of an Autistic son and I found this place, I would be spending my time getting to know people and understand more about Autism. You are not the first person to show up and with your first posts offer up your "NT" wisdom though. You could put something on your website about people doing that too!
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So if your entire goal revolves around helping people who are uncomfortable in communication and/or not good at reading things, why is it only about the other point of view? WHy nothing to help others explain how they feel and how no matter how many times they read your website they still not be able to read all social cues, what that feels like for them. What it feels like when people respond to that with hostility even though they are trying to get it right? Your goal is to fix the problem from a one-sided perspective, which is yours. WHich is FIXING him.
If I was the mother of an Autistic son and I found this place, I would be spending my time getting to know people and understand more about Autism. You are not the first person to show up and with your first posts offer up your "NT" wisdom though. You could put something on your website about people doing that too!
I understand where this opinion is coming from, but I believe it's fairly misguided. This is a rather decent website with a lot of already existing knowledge put together in a fairly nice format, in one location, rather then all over the net. It was also put together in far less of a 'NT wisdom' format, too. Which is a problem with LOTS of the resources I've found beforehand.
The problem of NT perspective is prevalent in almost all resources I've so far discovered, it's an issue, but it's not necessarily completely bad. Especially considering this doesn't actually seem to be aimed beyond "people with social issues"
The dilemma of the NT perspective, I believe, is that they do not actually understand the other side. They have an academical knowledge of it, but it's something you can't truly know without experience. Helping with this kind of thing is extremely difficult, most problems are caused by not knowing about certain subtly ques, yet most solutions are 'look out for x que, it means y'
An example from the website would be: "Review in your mind how you approached the situation, and whether you made any false moves that might have scared off the other person," The problem with something like this is that in most cases I wouldn't know what they I did wrong, looking back and reviewing the conversation results in "nothing was wrong".
If you gave a blind man a dark-blue and light-blue card, and asked for him to pass you the light-blue card, how would he know if he gave you the wrong one?
I was lucky in the resources I got from my government as a child, I got a social-helper who essentially did the reviewing of a conversation. It wasn't "review you conversation" because I don't know what I did wrong, it was "this is what you did wrong." then attempts at helping me understand what I actually did wrong. I think this website did fairly well in avoiding the "review your conversation" and instead doing far more "this is what you should/shouldn't do in x circumstance."
Review of the website: I'll be honest, I clicked the link expecting a dreadfully vanilla website with nearly nothing but text and hyperlinks. I instead found a surprisingly decent website design with good content to back it up. The content was indeed a lot of what's already out there, yet that's fine because it's all put into one neat place, whilst a lot of the info can't be found in a single place. It lacked the common "review and figure out what you did wrong" and instead gave a lot of actual info on what is the right/wrong things in certain situations.
Dead links were indeed a problem, I didn't note which ones were dead, though =/ might be good to add a 'report dead link' button or something. Another problem was the navigation bubbles, it wasn't obvious enough that the mini-bubbles changed the content of the main bubble and the positioning of text in the bubbles were rather bad, not even mentioning the hitboxes of the bubbles... I'd prefer a more conventional navigation bar, maybe where hovering over a bubble gives you the sub-bubbles for instance.
Another preference problem was that it's setup to open links in a new tab. I'm not a fan of having to manually navigate tabs and close them by default. If I want it to open in another tab, I'll do that manually by right clicking. But think that's more of a preference thing.
I thank you for this website, some of the stuff was even helpful to me, even though I was expecting help that would be useless for those over 5. I'd recommend this website to others, it's impressive.
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