Do people make you the subject of malicious gossip?

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09 Sep 2009, 3:47 am

Oh, it's not a legal condition. It was a compromise brokered by the university. I could quite happily have sued her, but figured that it was better to have the moral high ground than tie up my time dealing with some spiteful, malicious person.


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10 Jan 2013, 12:38 pm

I found this post a few days ago and have a whole lot to say about this subject, which has always been the bane of my existence. For right now though, I am still thinking about what I want to say about this (it may take me a few weeks), but a couple of "thoughts of the day" kind of comments that have come to mind in the last 12 hours seem very appropriate:

1) Animals react in fear of the unknown, but only humans manufacture that fear through gossip where none previously exists.

2) If you could harness the energy expended in useless gossip, you would have an inexhaustible power source for the entire world.

Picture, if you can, power line generators attached to all of those flapping jaws. It really is a rather comical thought. The news media and certainly Congress would be major power sources, even if not gossip driven. More to follow later.



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12 Jan 2013, 6:26 am

it happened to me lot in high school, cause people chose to make fun
of my naievity rather than help me



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12 Jan 2013, 12:45 pm

A few examples which I can think of......not sure if they can be considered really "malicious", but it was annoying at the time:

- when we lived in the northern part of the state, my siblings supposedly told some neighbors all these stories about how our family got to use handicapped parking spots because I was in a wheelchair, and how I had all these major disabilities which I didn't actually have.

- it was always popular to tease me about having crushes on guys who I did NOT like......with my siblings, it involved a classmate who lived in our neighborhood, and with kids at school, it involved some of the "special needs" kids. (not sure how that got started)



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12 Jan 2013, 12:54 pm

Yeah, I'm one of the main subjects of malicious gossip among my relatives.

After all, I'm the one who supposedly beat up his poor daddy and caused him much pain, both physically and emotionally. I'm also apparently after his house and lands in the home country that cost around 2 million dollars even though I had no idea about that until I was told the rumors about me. Surprisingly, the bruises and physical damage aren't so obvious, if they even exist. But gossiping is fun nevertheless.



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13 Jan 2013, 4:52 pm

Oh yes, people LOVED to spread slanderous remarks about me. One in particular (that I was gay) pretty much meant half the girls in my city wanted nothing to do with me. It's amazing how most people will believe any ludicrous thing they hear about someone.



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14 Jan 2013, 2:53 pm

No, I've never been.



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14 Jan 2013, 4:22 pm

I would only find out later that I was being talked about. It was only when one guy in the group of my supposedly friends was being direct to me and told me they only tolerated me. so... i think it happens about me all the time. women would talk about my shoes. Nothing escapes anybody. Everybody always knows where I am or who I'm speaking with and what it was about.



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29 Apr 2013, 3:06 pm

I found this post several months ago while searching for other Aspies' views on gossip as a baseless and unwelcome expression of NT opinion (which many of us dislike as being non-factual). I really did want to tell my story here and planned to come back to this post sooner, but 60 years of abuse is way too much to describe in a single sitting. Malicious gossip has always been the bane of my existence, but the details are too extensive to describe here.

What really surprised me was that so many others experienced the same gossip that they were gay. In addition to being an Aspie, I actually am gay, although nobody would ever have any reason to think so since I have done nothing sexual at all in over 15 years. The entire world, gay and straight has always rejected me while talking amongst themselves about how desirable they think I am. You would think that they would have enough common sense to speak to me directly rather than to gossip among themselves about me, but NTs sometimes use so little common sense and can never be direct. They follow the rule of the jungle behaving like lower forms of animals always seeking a conquest. Personally, I have always sought an equal but few are to be found in a world ruled by jungle law. When I do not compete with them, they don't know how to deal with it. I had always believed that the gossip that I am gay was due to the fact that I AM gay and that hetero NTs had something similar to gay radar (and I hate the term gaydar with a passion... like fingernails on a chalk board... it is so cheesy). Once I awakened to the fact that I am Aspie three years ago, I began to realize that the source of this gossip was not that I am gay but rather something entirely different. NTs often presume that Aspies are gay and label us as such because we are so different from them and because they think of themselves as the epitome of hetero behavior. Therefore anything remotely different must necessarily be gay. It is very ego and conceit driven and can never be overcome without the NT awakening to their own faulty, self-centered logic. Homophobia is such a popular form of hate that NTs use it as a point of conformity in trying to keep up with the Joneses. It is also possible that they may also be using it (and all of us Aspies) as pawns to try to impress their potential mates with their phony sense of hetero prowess.

The speculative gossip I have always experienced gets to be highly sexual and detailed in nature almost as if they think they have a God-given right to know the most intimate details about my sex life when they lack the common decency to even speak to me. In addition to the presumption that I am gay, I also experience non-stop gossip regarding my state of sexual need, usually laced with a healthy dose of lies and insults to suit their own convenience. It is very invasive of my privacy and I often believe that people would set up bleachers in my apartment to watch if they could. It really is none of their business to begin with. Honestly, these people spend more time thinking about my sex life than I do and probably more time than they spend thinking about their own mates. It is a sign of feelings of inadequacy on their part. If I want peace and quiet, then all hell breaks loose outside, but if they want peace and quiet, it gets silent as a morgue out there. This is more predictable than the rising sun each day. I now run a white noise machine all evening long in order to partially mask out the sounds of their gossip floating in my window as well as the sounds of their occasional silence. There seem to be two types of bullies. Some will oppose me openly so as to interfere with my life and display that they are different from me (and thus not gay) while others will mock me in a competitive way, putting on a phony show in order to upstage me and demonstrate their superiority as a result. I'm not sure which of the two is worse.

There is a paragraph in Tom Wolfe's book "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" during the party at Ken Kesey's place in which some guy was the target of homophobia (regardless of whether he was gay or not). That expression of hate offended one very hetero member of of the Hells Angels (who was sitting there quietly) so much that he said he would be more than willing to go to bed with the guy being targeted simply to express his displeasure at the unreasonable degree of hate being directed towards him. I myself have experienced similar situations, such as one time overseas in the early 1980s when a very hetero (and very big) biker from Columbus, GA named Animal told me that if anybody ever did give me a rough time, I should tell him about it (I never did so) and he would personally see to it that they never bothered me again. He had observed the hate being directed towards me many times and found it to be highly offensive to any sense of courage, justice and equality.

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No, but I had been cheated out of potential friends based on slanderous remarks made about me.


You sure did hit that nail right on the head! I have only had something like ten friends in all of 62 years of life, typically for only about a year at a time before life's changes led them (or me) to move on. All but one of them were very hetero (such as one ex-Marine I worked with who hated the gossip even more than I did and who absolutely forbade his wife to ever take part in it). Most were so NT as to not really understand my own inner thought processes while still accepting me as I am. Perhaps four or five times in my life, I have been in the situation of having met someone who was so similar to myself (not necessarily gay, but usually withdrawn as I am) that it offered me a very real opportunity to finally have a real friend and equal for the first time in my life. Each and every time this has happened, people have seen the friendship developing and have intentionally interfered so as to not allow me to have the same opportunity that they themselves have so freely with so many friends. They create such a fuss and controversy over me, including all the speculation and gossip that I am gay, that it always drives the other person away from me. In all cases it also causes the hopeful friend to join in with the fray and gossip so as to not be associated with me as a person who is presumed to be gay... according to the gossip. This has happened repeatedly every single time that I have ever tried to reach out to someone as a simple friend. Along the way I must tolerate some really aggressive behavior towards me such as one neighbor who followed my footsteps around the floor whacking on the walls below wherever I stood or another neighbor who made snide remarks at me through the bathroom wall whenever I went in there to shower. It really is enough to piss off the pope.

NTs (and especially the alphas) are driven by ego, selfishness and the notion that they and anything they do is infallible. It is a totally self centered way of thinking. As I wrote in another recent post here, "The NT personality is turned outward (extroverted) but they are focused inwards (ego). The Aspie personality is turned inward (introverted) but they are focused outwards (perceptive)". In connection with this focus on their ego, NTs play all kinds of power, domination and control games (I will just call this PD&C for short) with other people in everything that they say and do in order to reinforce that notion of self-superiority (even in small inconsequential ways). Often they probably do not even realize that they are doing this, but few things escape an Aspie's eye. This is the same factor that drives homophobia, racism, gender bias and all forms of intolerance... the notion that one's self or one's own group is superior to another person or group. It is the same thing that kindergarten kids learn to do when playing "King of the Hill" (I could not understand that game at all when I was a kid). When the PD&C games become overt, they become the same tactic that schoolyard bullies (and political tyrants) everywhere use to pump up their own ego at the expense of others. NTs are competitive while Aspies are task driven and perceptive. Typically if somebody confronts me (i.e. a challenge to compete), I will just walk away. If forced to play tug of war, I will let go of the rope, leaving the NT flat on his back in the mud. There is no way to deal with the gossip that such bullies use against us, because our actions will always be interpreted in the manner most supportive of the bully's initial presumption. It is an attitude of, "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts". There is no way to turn to anybody for help because the NT bullies always have the advantage of numbers of people who will corroborate what they do and say... we never have any proof of what is being done to us. Furthermore if we seek help from the NT world, they will often criticize us for being ourselves and point to their own behavior as the solution (thus patting themselves on the back and pumping up their own ego once again at our expense). The only way to overcome this is to live a better life than the NT bully and to leave them in our wake for belittling us to begin with. This is far easier said than done for an Aspie since we have so much difficulty in finding friends to begin with.

My life has always been an ongoing story of abuse in which people drive away potential friends, gossip about me endlessly and slander me for presumably doing the exact same things that they are actually doing for real, all while rubbing my nose in their own exploits. Just as soon as I get rid of one bully, the next one takes his place, so this is likely to continue for the rest of my life... unless I should somehow manage to find a friend for a change. An interesting thing I have observed is that if I am talking to someone on the phone, the bullies will ALWAYS keep their mouth shut so as to not get caught (or upstaged), but as soon as I go silent, the gossip quickly resumes. Bullies are always cowards acting in groups and pick on those who are alone.

On the island where I lived for many years I once knew a cook about my age named Trevor. One time he explained it all to me with words that I will never forget because they sum up the entire gossip and power mentality so simply and yet so beautifully. He was one of the local people whom I admired for their simple ways and the fact that they were generally less aggressive than the other Americans I knew. However once they became Americanized, they began to learn those same aggressive habits. After 150 years of subjugation by the British, whom they hated with a passion, these people had developed an inferiority complex in which they considered themselves to be "number two" while the British and Americans were "number one". Trevor was a half friend but could be a back-stabber at times and was never one to be trusted completely. One night I asked him, "why do people treat me in the nasty way that they always do"? Trevor replied, 'it's because what you've got, they can't get" (envy). Then he went on to say to me, "I am number two. If number two can put down number one, then number two becomes number one" (PD&C). Then I said to him, "but Trevor, you know I don't believe in that nonsense, so why do people still treat me that way"? Trevor replied, "that's just the way it is". People should not try to manipulate other people in the way that they do. It amounts to an act of verbal rape and it is neither fair nor just. But that is the way that NTs have always treated me.

Oddly enough the only person in my apartment building who has never violated my trust or respect is the 30 something year old girl who lives across the hall. She is the only person here whom I have told I am an Aspie. She is not one of the gossips and may dislike it as much as I do because she is rarely seen unless she needs to shop for food. She will go for three and four days at a time without ever setting foot outside of her door (she even told me this one time). I don't think it is the case but her behavior sometimes seems to be even more Aspie-like than mine is. She is not part of the mob.

Sometimes I wonder if I should not just follow my own Aspie instincts and give up on people entirely, but that is a self-defeating solution in a world consisting of people. I can only keep trying from time to time and hope that someday before I die I just might happen to find somebody who will listen and help without knocking me down yet another step further. The odds really don't look good at all in a world ruled by NT hate.



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29 Apr 2013, 4:20 pm

Shebakoby wrote:
I know that people gossiped about me, for I had people dislike me even before they met me, then encountering me and then behaving as if they knew me and treating me much the same way as someone who I did know.

Parents always tell their kids 'people have better things to do than talk about you' but in my case, that was completely wrong. And what I learned of was definitely only the tip of the iceberg.

What is it about people that makes them want to not only discuss people like us with people we do not know, and add malicious (and probably untrue) gossip to the mix? Do they truly have nothing better to do? What is it they seek to accomplish by spreading their hate?

Have you ever been a victim of a gigantic web of gossip?



Hi: Yes I have been a victim of gossip many times. The ones who seem to do it are other people with other type of issues such as ADHD and Mild Cerebral Palsy. If any NT does it to me, I find that they are the ones who have some insecurities wrong with them while not having the brighest iqs.

Usually when someone gossips about me like that is has been from people who like to latch themselves onto me and act like I am their friend. Due to so many experiences of this non malignant bullying and two faced behavior, I am able to pick up on a few things.

1. The other person(s) will call you their "Best friend," and even say that you are like family to them
2. They never seem to call you or invite you to things/ stand you up
3. Shut you out of certain social groups that they are a part of
4. Make excuses
5. Others will come to you to confirm the truth if there is lying going on from the tale-barer.
6. Those same people will let you know that the other person dislikes you
7. Pay attention to them talking about others by saying one thing to you and doing another with them by continuing to be their friend.

I don't think Aspie's and Auts are the only targets of gossip. There are many NTs who got the same treatment because other people happened to feel insecure with themselves and take things out on that person. For instance, I will create a scenario with two people

1. Suzie Q- Is an NT and decides to trade in all her long hair for a very short pixie hair cut
2. Jane B- Notices Suzie's new haircut and compares her own features to Suzie by noticing that she has better facial features than she did.

I am also going to use a social outlet such as a yoga class where the two engage in yoga class for two nights a week.

So, anyway, Jane starts telling the other girls in the classes and her family that Suzie cut her hair short because she is a known lesbian and is about to come out of the closet. Jane then finishes by telling everyone in the class that she got together with Suzie once and caught her kissing another woman.

All of this is not true but a way of hurting someone else to put herself up which is what gossip can be used for.



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02 May 2013, 9:56 pm

Summer_Twilight wrote:
If any NT does it to me, I find that they are the ones who have some insecurities wrong with them while not having the brighest iqs.


NTs certainly are not the brightest creatures in the world but high IQ does not prevent their behavior either. I once knew (thankfully only from a distance) a Mensa member who was one of the most obnoxious people I have ever met. Even his coworkers heckled at his behavior when he got patronizing with me... and they disliked me too. Chances are that my IQ was higher than his (I never even worried about a number like he did), but I just kept silent and let him make a fool of himself. Not all NTs are like this unless they have something to prove to themselves or to others, but the bad apples do have a way of giving the whole bushel a bad smell.

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Due to so many experiences of this non malignant bullying and two faced behavior, I am able to pick up on a few things.


Excuse me for saying so but you sound like you might be quite young, so please don't take this as a backhanded put down. I was also very naive when I was young and did not pick up on anything at all that NTs do... only that they somehow seemed to treat me meanly. With no thanks to my years overseas in a very hostile environment in which NT behavior was thrust forcibly upon everybody, I began to understand the real background behind what they did simply by having it force fed to me day after day, year after year. Now I have become hyper-sensitive to such behavior and pick up on it perhaps even quicker than the NTs do. It is a mixed blessing with Aspie sensitivity that makes the world seem like a rhinoceros galloping through a china shop. The only way to escape it is to seal the whole world out, not even looking outside (as I do on some days to improve my mood the next day), but that is counterproductive when you really want to be able to relate to people... and they can still walk by outside shouting out cruel remarks loud enough for you to hear. Only yesterday I walked out onto my balcony simply to refill a bird feeder and got an earful from a bunch of aggressive guys standing outside the next building (too X-Rated to repeat here). It never does stop.

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1. The other person(s) will call you their "Best friend," and even say that you are like family to them
2. They never seem to call you or invite you to things/ stand you up
3. Shut you out of certain social groups that they are a part of
4. Make excuses
5. Others will come to you to confirm the truth if there is lying going on from the tale-barer.
6. Those same people will let you know that the other person dislikes you
7. Pay attention to them talking about others by saying one thing to you and doing another with them by continuing to be their friend.


Thats a pretty good list of some of the more devious and deceptive things that NTs do. Be careful with items 5 and 6 though. You never do know whether person A is telling the truth that person B is lying or if person A is lying in order to drive a wedge between you and person B. I have been the victim of both situations many times before.

Summer_Twilight wrote:
I don't think Aspie's and Auts are the only targets of gossip.


By no means. NTs will pick on anybody if they think they can boost their self-image by doing so. It is getting worse with time too. When I was in grade school through high school (1950s-1960s), there was some mild bullying, but it was nothing compared to the battering that kids routinely must take these days. I actually consider my grade school years to have been very pleasant compared to my college and work years. All of the ego that drives it is on the rise too and it seems that there is an organization that measures such things using incoming college freshmen as a test group. Last January, NBC news did a short news story (links below) saying that there had been a dramatic rise in the opinion that college freshmen had of themselves and that a full 25% of them could now be considered to be honest to God narcissists. People no longer have any humility or consideration, which is easy to see simply by looking at the advertising lies that the corporate world continuously puts out. (Does anybody else get fed up with all the U-Verse ads that flood the airwaves and stuffs your mailbox? I actually managed to get rid of an AT&T salesman who called me the other day in under 20 seconds... but my goal is to be able to dump them in less than 5 seconds). NT ego and lies are rewarded and NTs go on to become advertising execs... and used car salesmen. I would really hate to be in the shoes of your kids or grandkids... they will have hell to pay just for waking up each day. It is also no surprise that there is such a dramatic rise in the number of mass killings either. In most cases it is found that these people are loners who had been picked on in some manner. They simply reach a point at which it all becomes too much to bear and it all comes pouring back out at once... somewhat like an Aspie meltdown... with King-Kong sized barbs attached.

Here is that news story link. The video is no longer there but I can extract and post it somewhere if anybody is really interested.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/ns/ ... /#50391721

By my best guess, these are the people who did that survey of college freshmen.

http://www.heri.ucla.edu/


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All of this is not true but a way of hurting someone else to put herself up which is what gossip can be used for.


Right on. Indeed this is what NT behavior is all about: pumping up their own ego at the expense of others. See the story I told in my last comment above about the way Trevor explained this to me. I think you might like it. I am not Catholic but I think it is very interesting to note that the Catholics consider pride to be the most serious of the seven deadly sins simply because it is the basis of all the others. But what is NT ego if it is not pride?

Here is a fitting thought for the day:

Alphas make poor friends. They only want a punching bag and a security blanket.



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05 May 2013, 2:39 pm

Occasionally, but when they realize I don't care and I''m not going to play their games, they back off.



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05 May 2013, 8:36 pm

Shebakoby wrote:
What is it about people that makes them want to not only discuss people like us with people we do not know, and add malicious (and probably untrue) gossip to the mix?

We have a saying here about one feather becoming five hens. It's based on a fairytale called "The feather that became five hens" in Norwegian. known as "It's quite true" in English.
http://www.andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersho ... eTrue.html

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Have you ever been a victim of a gigantic web of gossip?

Not to my knowledge.


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06 May 2013, 2:11 am

Probably, I dont know for a fact. I've had friends that gossip about me, but not anymore then anyone else up to my knowledge. If its people I know, or friends with, I dont care too much about what they say about me. What people I dont know or like as much say about me, no clue. I'd imagine theres quite a bit to pick from. :shrug:



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06 May 2013, 8:59 am

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Occasionally, but when they realize I don't care and I''m not going to play their games, they back off.


I found that the last person who pulled their little stunt of playing my friend while making me her victim of malicious gossip slowly quit trying to hurt me when I ignored them.

This was by being polite and having as little communication with them all together when we were in the same room. It felt awkward but it helped. I also removed them from my facebook after I found out what sort of person they were and how they really felt. The reason I knew that they were talking about me is because another friend of mine came to confirm things with me on whether something was true. They also mentioned that this girl made fun of me behind my back about everything.

For instance, I love chilled cucumber soup and I learned to make it and brought it around this person. They evidently made fun of that behind my back all the time.

Then again, they did this to everyone else and not just me.



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07 May 2013, 6:22 am

It's definitely happened before. There was a rumour that I was a lesbian going around the school all because I showed no interest in the guys in my year. I'm straight, I just have the worst luck when it comes to the guys I'm stuck in a classroom with... this area of the state has *no* guys who suit my tastes at all. I also apparently rejected a guy because I thought his d*ck wasn't big enough... I did say that, but was only kidding (I rejected him because he was too young for me).


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