Physical and Repeat Bullying is far from "normal"!

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30 Jan 2010, 12:18 am

Well, I guess in the long run, my rage from those experiences helped me channel all that energy into outdoor athletics and developing my social skills, especially the ability to detect deception. However, I don't see any benifit from my experiences with bullies.



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30 Jan 2010, 11:24 am

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Well, I guess in the long run, my rage from those experiences helped me channel all that energy into outdoor athletics and developing my social skills, especially the ability to detect deception. However, I don't see any benifit from my experiences with bullies.


It made me tougher in every way. It made me more capable to deal with hardship in life.



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30 Jan 2010, 6:59 pm

I was bullied by EVERYONE including teachers. I was accused of being the bully becasue I was simply defending myself.


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31 Jan 2010, 5:39 am

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I was bullied by EVERYONE including teachers. I was accused of being the bully becasue I was simply defending myself.


Define "bullying". I was only physically bullied by a small amount of people, but I was hated by my entire class (as the only male in that class, that was a major blow to my selfesteem) for just being myself and a few times this led into class discussions organised by the teacher to discuss "my behavior". One may consider that a form of bullying, but basically this was just the teacher trying to figure out a way for us all to "get along" one way or another.



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02 Feb 2010, 2:42 pm

Salonfilosoof wrote:
PunkyKat wrote:
I was bullied by EVERYONE including teachers. I was accused of being the bully becasue I was simply defending myself.


Define "bullying". I was only physically bullied by a small amount of people, but I was hated by my entire class (as the only male in that class, that was a major blow to my selfesteem) for just being myself and a few times this led into class discussions organised by the teacher to discuss "my behavior". One may consider that a form of bullying, but basically this was just the teacher trying to figure out a way for us all to "get along" one way or another.


My third grade teacher semed to get a high of belittling me and encouraged the others to do so. I was kicked while standing in line (I suppose the bruises I would come home covered in were physcosematic) and when I kicked them back, I was punished.


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05 Feb 2010, 2:20 pm

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I can say that 6 years of being bullied in high school made me a stronger and more mature individual. Although high school was living hell for me, I wouldn't want to have any other past.


I went through 6 years of bullying like you did. No, it didn't make me stronger or more mature. Maturity started happening 2 years after the bullying ended (which in turn happened when i got into high school). I still bear the psychological scars from that. Now I can't survive any adversarial situation involving strangers without significant help (which basically means I'm not going to be able to land a job because I can't walk into an interview). On top of that, the damage has made me completely unattractive to women (okay, so I was physically unattractive to begin with, but the bullying destroyed whatever confidence i had that would have done the job), so it's not like I'm going to get anywhere in that department. Bruised muscles and broken bones heal over time, but a damaged soul cannot ever fully recover. That is why bullying has to be stopped. It's too late to save me, but at the very least we can save future generations. Generations of bright young kids with the potential to contribute a lot to society, if only society wasn't such a jackass to them.



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07 Feb 2010, 7:23 am

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I went through 6 years of bullying like you did. No, it didn't make me stronger or more mature. Maturity started happening 2 years after the bullying ended (which in turn happened when i got into high school). I still bear the psychological scars from that.


We all bear psychological scars from our childhood. Everyone in high school who's somewhat "different" is either socially isolated (the lucky ones), bullied (the unlucky ones) or both (the most unlucky ones).

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Now I can't survive any adversarial situation involving strangers without significant help (which basically means I'm not going to be able to land a job because I can't walk into an interview).


Just keep telling yourself that and this will never change. If you try to overcome your deficiencies in managing adversarial situation involving strangers without significant help, you'll eventually find a whole new world opening up to you.

Job applications and flirting situations are the most scary situations I can think of socially, but by not succumbing to my fears, finding ways to reduce the effect of my Aspie deficiencies and persisting whenever failure reared its ugly head I nevertheless managed to find decent jobs in the past and I managed to get a few relationships.

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On top of that, the damage has made me completely unattractive to women (okay, so I was physically unattractive to begin with, but the bullying destroyed whatever confidence i had that would have done the job), so it's not like I'm going to get anywhere in that department. Bruised muscles and broken bones heal over time, but a damaged soul cannot ever fully recover.


BS. A damaged soul is easiest to fix if only you put an effort into getting out of your continuous state of selfpity and finding for ways out. If you have no selfconfidence, find ways to feel better about yourself. If you can't find any girlfriend, first try to find some female or gay friends who can help you with your outfit and general appearance, your social skills and/or other aspects about yourself you feel uncomfortable with. And if that doesn't work either, maybe you should visit a shrink.

You're not as hopeless as you think you are. Even if you're 100 pounds overweight, dressed like a bum and lazy like a donkey, there are always ways to improve yourself and make yourself more likable for the ladies. You just have to know how to do it and how to not screw it up by saying something stupid or nothing at all. I'm now working on the latter part :wink:

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That is why bullying has to be stopped. It's too late to save me, but at the very least we can save future generations. Generations of bright young kids with the potential to contribute a lot to society, if only society wasn't such a jackass to them.


It's not bullying that's your problem. It's selfpity. Selfpity is the easiest way out when the whole world seems to be against you, but it's also a certain way towards a sad and lonely life.



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07 Feb 2010, 7:40 am

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I still bear the psychological scars from that.


Just for the record.... I could choose between two local high schools to go to and I picked mine on the basis of which school least of the elementary school bullies went to. Then I ended up in a school with 75% girls, while I had previously been to an all-boys school. The sudden exposure to female peers at a time when I was both socially inept and getting into puberty was a total nightmare and I eventually ended up as the only guy in a class full of women who all hated me and where occasionally even class discussions were organised to discuss "my behavior" (whatever that meant). With exception of one year or so, the few people who allowed me to hang out with them at high school were totally unreliable losers and I could expect them to put a knife in my back (figuratively) any time. For one or two years I had no one to hang out with at all.

Luckily I've only had one or two years or serious physical bullying at 5th grade and 6th grade and a mild amounts of physical bullying at high school, but the psychological torture of high school was enough to drive anyone crazy. Still, I got through it sane and well and the nightmarish experiences I went through in high school now help me making better decisions in adult life.



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07 Feb 2010, 9:31 am

Why are there always 2-3 bullies per school?



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07 Feb 2010, 10:07 am

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Why are there always 2-3 bullies per school?


For the same reason there are always 2-3 Aspies per school. It's called "human diversity".



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07 Feb 2010, 10:39 am

Salonfilosoof wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
Why are there always 2-3 bullies per school?


For the same reason there are always 2-3 Aspies per school. It's called "human diversity".


It's just like a videogame, there's always eight gym leaders, one rival and one professor in the 4 regions in the Pokemon games.



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07 Feb 2010, 10:48 am

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
Salonfilosoof wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
Why are there always 2-3 bullies per school?


For the same reason there are always 2-3 Aspies per school. It's called "human diversity".


It's just like a videogame, there's always eight gym leaders, one rival and one professor in the 4 regions in the Pokemon games.


Truth is often stranger than fiction :wink: