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08 Jul 2011, 3:32 pm

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^^Which is a good reason why I didn't want to get into this thread. :lol:
You're already here. :?


Yes that's true but only to say what I already saw was coming. Anyway I agree with the first post so don't take my comment the wrong way.


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08 Jul 2011, 3:41 pm

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^^Which is a good reason why I didn't want to get into this thread. :lol:
You're already here. :?


Yes that's true but only to say what I already saw was coming.
Mmhmm. The reason I wanted to put this thread is because of my confusion of men and women. They always fight each other they end up been in separate ways. And that's not want I want. Half the male demographic in the world are selfish and chauvinistic. I'm glad I'm not one of them. Because I was born with manners.


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08 Jul 2011, 3:59 pm

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^^Which is a good reason why I didn't want to get into this thread. :lol:
You're already here. :?


Yes that's true but only to say what I already saw was coming.
Mmhmm. The reason I wanted to put this thread is because of my confusion of men and women. They always fight each other they end up been in separate ways. And that's not want I want. Half the male demographic in the world are selfish and chauvinistic. I'm glad I'm not one of them. Because I was born with manners.


Yes I too find it weird and confusing. A good reason I took vacation from WP numerous times was because of these very issues. I suppose people have to find differences in order to vent their anger. I'm sure if there was no rule against racism there would be a lot of that as well here. The only input I can give is try not to judge a person by their gender alone. It's hard enough to have people judge you for your social quirks but add that to other qualities that somehow make you "different" and it can make life a living hell. I think the internet can bring out the unimaginable ugliness in people. This why I take time off the internet when I see this crap. I use to try and not let it get to me but I would be dishonest with myself as well as with other people if didn't. Sometimes you can't win an argument with ignorance.


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08 Jul 2011, 4:08 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
ConfusedDude wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
ConfusedDude wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
^^Which is a good reason why I didn't want to get into this thread. :lol:
You're already here. :?


Yes that's true but only to say what I already saw was coming.
Mmhmm. The reason I wanted to put this thread is because of my confusion of men and women. They always fight each other they end up been in separate ways. And that's not want I want. Half the male demographic in the world are selfish and chauvinistic. I'm glad I'm not one of them. Because I was born with manners.


Yes I too find it weird and confusing. A good reason I took vacation from WP numerous times was because of these very issues. I suppose people have to find differences in order to vent their anger. I'm sure if there was no rule against racism there would be a lot of that as well here. The only input I can give is try not to judge a person by their gender alone. It's hard enough to have trouble with social skills and having people judge you on your social quirks but add that to other qualities that somehow make you "different" and it makes things much harder. I think the internet can bring out the unimaginable ugliness in people. This why I take time off the internet when I see this crap. I use to try and not let it get to me but I would be dishonest with myself as well as with other people if didn't. Sometimes you can't win an argument with ignorance.
So very true. Well thanks for talking to me. If you still wanna talk to me send me a private message.


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08 Jul 2011, 4:10 pm

ConfusedDude wrote:
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ConfusedDude wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
ConfusedDude wrote:
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^^Which is a good reason why I didn't want to get into this thread. :lol:
You're already here. :?


Yes that's true but only to say what I already saw was coming.
Mmhmm. The reason I wanted to put this thread is because of my confusion of men and women. They always fight each other they end up been in separate ways. And that's not want I want. Half the male demographic in the world are selfish and chauvinistic. I'm glad I'm not one of them. Because I was born with manners.


Yes I too find it weird and confusing. A good reason I took vacation from WP numerous times was because of these very issues. I suppose people have to find differences in order to vent their anger. I'm sure if there was no rule against racism there would be a lot of that as well here. The only input I can give is try not to judge a person by their gender alone. It's hard enough to have trouble with social skills and having people judge you on your social quirks but add that to other qualities that somehow make you "different" and it makes things much harder. I think the internet can bring out the unimaginable ugliness in people. This why I take time off the internet when I see this crap. I use to try and not let it get to me but I would be dishonest with myself as well as with other people if didn't. Sometimes you can't win an argument with ignorance.
So very true. Well thanks for talking to me. If you still wanna talk to me send me a private message.



And thank you. Good topic btw. :)


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09 Jul 2011, 2:22 am

femi-nazi's can be anoying even though I have been accused of one myself. I am not by their standards. I dont believe that a woman can hit a man but expect not to be hit in return. I hate all the infighting between stay at home moms and career moms. I think the feminist momement was going great then somehow got hyjacked.
Now women are expected to work a full time job and take care of the kids and the house, where before they were just expected to take care of kids and the house, unfotuanatly this has really been the worst thing for our culture cause many kids basicly were just allowed to grow up, but are never really parented...then after 3 decades of this, we are starting to see a real failure in morals in the US because of kids that were allowed to grow up like suburban street children. That came out opf the feminist moment
Then you have the issue of sex. At one time, sex was very limiting to women, but there were cultural "rights" that went along with it. Now it seems that guys can have sex with women without any commitment or even a thank you card. suposably that came out of the feminist movement.
Women now are being forced to be superwoman, a career woman, a mother, a maid, an acountant, a cook, a nurse, an advocate, a taxi driver, and a tigress in the bed. This came out of the feminist movement

Also 40 years ago if a man left his wife, he had to pay alimony and much social critism, now if the woman is working...he can walk away from the marrage scott free without any social repercussions except for child support. This came out of the feminist moment

The only benefit I have seen come out of it for women is sexual harrasment laws and the right to vote, however most women vote for who their husband tells them to. :roll:



I disagree that a male employee telling a female employee that she looks good or asks for her number or whatever is sexual harasment.
Sexual harrament is what I got when a higher ranking male employee told me that he only trust me as far the end of his d***.

The whole point of the feminist movement was so we would have the equal amout of respect as men do....somewhere that has fallen short.

we work more, we f*** more, we show more skin, come from broken homes into broken homes, our children raise themselves, all for what?? statistics show that 1out of every 5 women have been sexually abused, and that is those that report but it is estimated that 1 out every 2 women have been sexually abused based on the number that do not report.Possibly every other woman in america has been sexually abused. 79 percent of sexual offenders are male. Not saying that men are all like this but saying, in the end...we are still not equal and respected.

I am not trying to male bash as much as I am pointing out the how feminism has failed.

I believe that women are the keepers of the hearth and home, and the reason they left the hearth was because they thought that if they worked they would get equal respect of men. wrong.

we still have a long way to go to be equal. I dont know what the solutions are.


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09 Jul 2011, 7:28 pm

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It is frustrating, ConfusedDude. Looking from a genetic perspective, females and males only have a 5% difference within the genes. The world takes that slight difference way out of proportion.

Don't bring statistics into this, please. Statistics can be manipulated to tell you almost anything you want them to. It is a recipe for disaster to whip them out in a touchy subject. There are liars, damn liars, and then statisticians.

When I read that the difference was 5% I didn't realize the difference was so large. That's supposedly bigger than the difference between a human and a chimpanzee.

Let's just admit that men and women are not the same and just agree to respect each other.


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27 Jul 2011, 11:01 am

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27 Jul 2011, 2:01 pm

I hate sexism, misogyny, and misandry. However, I think with all the gender roles and such it won't be going away for a while (or at all). :cry:



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31 Jul 2011, 4:26 am

I wish that it would all go away but it seems to be getting worse to me. Then the women often try to tear each down at the
same time which certainly doesn't help matters.

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I'm totally with you in your dislike of discrimination. I rather enjoy the differences between the genders, though. I like having men and women! I'm a strident feminist but I certainly don't hate men ... heaven forbid!


This is way off topic, but is that a real pic of you? Do you have a horse? If so, that is so awesome.

jojobean wrote:
I think the feminist momement was going great then somehow got hyjacked.
Now women are expected to work a full time job and take care of the kids and the house, where before they were just expected to take care of kids and the house, unfotuanatly this has really been the worst thing for our culture cause many kids basicly were just allowed to grow up, but are never really parented...then after 3 decades of this, we are starting to see a real failure in morals in the US because of kids that were allowed to grow up like suburban street children. That came out opf the feminist moment
Then you have the issue of sex. At one time, sex was very limiting to women, but there were cultural "rights" that went along with it. Now it seems that guys can have sex with women without any commitment or even a thank you card. suposably that came out of the feminist movement.
Women now are being forced to be superwoman, a career woman, a mother, a maid, an acountant, a cook, a nurse, an advocate, a taxi driver, and a tigress in the bed. This came out of the feminist movement

Also 40 years ago if a man left his wife, he had to pay alimony and much social critism, now if the woman is working...he can walk away from the marrage scott free without any social repercussions except for child support. This came out of the feminist moment
.


I agree with all of this. Plus on top of that any female friends I've had are hormonal, they/we just are, so guys push all of those expectations on them and then say on top of that, you're crazy. Do they really think that women can just become robots or what? It's so ridiculous.



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03 Aug 2011, 1:25 pm

I think it's human nature to have some degree of resentment towards the other gender. I don't know why, but I believe that. People still object to the idea of having a woman president, even though now we have a black president. Laws against racism have really progressed over the years, but sexism hasn't improved as much.

Personally I think it's awful. The thought of being raped and abused by somebody much stronger than you is EXTREMELY scary to me, and I'm a male. But then women can't expect to be able to treat men however they want either. Sadly, I don't think sexism of any kind will ever go away.



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06 Aug 2011, 8:12 pm

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I hate sexism, misogyny, and misandry. However, I think with all the gender roles and such it won't be going away for a while (or at all). :cry:

they will go away if the human race becomes extinct.
At least on this planet anyway until a new species similar to us comes along if they make similar mistakes.


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07 Aug 2011, 2:38 am

I'm all for feminism. I do see a few problems, however:

-It's no longer about getting equal rights. It's about getting equal results. A couple of years ago the Dutch navy had to fire a significant amount of officers. They decided to only fire male officers because that would help them get to their target percentage of females. I'm sorry, but that's just counterproductive. It actually helps men looking down on women: after all, the only reason she didn't get fired was because we don't fire female officers. If you don't discriminate, then a female officer who doesn't get fired is clearly a good officer, and men have to face the fact that she's simply good. Equal rights actually help men who do not respect women, because they don't have to face the fact that a woman might do a superior job.

-It completely ignores the fact that men are simply better at some jobs than women (and, by the way, the other way around). This is, again, especially true in the army and other physical jobs, whereas women are probably better at a number of social jobs (or, for example, someone who helps in a fashion shop).

-There is a certain hypocrisy to it all. I actually found myself agreeing with the feminist movement on the English insurances (women do, after all, drive safer). The problem is, I'm sure they'd be the first to get out the pitchforks if it had been the other way around. In the Netherlands, there is still a draft (though only if we are attacked ourselves), but it's only for men. Male students have been far less successful at university than female students over the course of the past few years, but nobody's wondering if there may be some reason to it or that we have to do something about it.

-It's gone a tad too far. Some time ago, in the news, there was discussion on a political job (with three candidates) and the reporter literally said "it would be good if [she] got the job because she's a woman."

Amusingly, most of my female friends agree with these points, though I'm sure my feminist professor with whom I tried the same arguments didn't like them very much.

I think the sad part of it all is that it has taken the parents away from the children. I am very happy that my mother was always there when I grew up. The days that she was gone were the days I liked the least. I do not think that it should automatically be the mother who stays at home, but I do wish it were normal to have a parent at home at all times. I think it's a lot better for raising the children.


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07 Aug 2011, 12:30 pm

I'm against feminism because it's assuming that women need equal rights but men don't. We don't need masculism either! We need a egalitarism movement who won't only consider one gender! All sexes have their lot of inequalities. It's very disrespectful to assume that only one sex is inequal with the other. We need both perspectives.

The big problem anyways is the social construct of gender! Men and women aren't that different but the thing is that culture influence us so much to act like our other people of our gender. The idea that men and women are 2 different creatures creates a lot of problems and conflicts! Masculine women, feminine men, ambitious women and submissive men have a lot of difficulty to adapt to society. Many women feel angry about how most men act and many men feel angry about most women act. If people would be what they are without a gender social construct everything would be much better because we couldn't say "men are always like this" and "women are always this". Gender would be mostly irrelevant.

The Mars and Venus thing is stupid. It assume that all men and women are the same. But there is always people who don't identify with the majority. And the majority is mainly the result of social conditioning.



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07 Aug 2011, 3:24 pm

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Aside that my user name is Confused Dude, there are still some things that I don't understand about men and women. Sometimes I get the feeling that the feminist women hate men so much that they wish they want them dead (no wonder there are a lot of lesbians). And in cartoons they always show something I like to call sexist episodes. Where the genders get competitive they hate each other. And don't even get me started on Men, even though I'm a male and i'm not gay and i'm not a sexist. Sometimes there are men that are so stupid. Men who insult, cheat, kill, abuse, objectify, traffic women are the worse motherf***ing men in the whole damn planet. Women, on the other hand, sometimes cheat, "gold-dig", and do minor bad stuff to men. This people don't know the meaning of love and gender equality.

By the way, MISANDRY is hatred of the male demographic, MISOGYNY is the hatred of the female demographic, and SEXISM is the hatred of the opposite gender.

STOP THE DISCRIMINATION OF EVERYTHING!! !! !


I'm sorry i'm misogyn and proud



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08 Aug 2011, 12:15 am

nichiren wrote:
BadBones wrote:
I hate sexism, misogyny, and misandry. However, I think with all the gender roles and such it won't be going away for a while (or at all). :cry:

they will go away if the human race becomes extinct.
At least on this planet anyway until a new species similar to us comes along if they make similar mistakes.


That's true.