''You need to get out to clubs and bars to meet people!''

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Research shows a 17 per cent fall in heart attacks since ban was introduced. If anything passive smoking is worse, also a 39 per cent reduction in second hand smoke exposure in 11-year-olds and in adult non-smokers since the ban. Smoking is a filthy habit, the more people discourage it, the better. In fact, second-hand smoke is ranked in the same harmful category as asbestos, radon, benzene.

Because I hate it when they blow it in my face and smoke near me. I hate it when I am standing somewhere and someone has a lit cigarette right near me. I find it so rude. So I always stay away from them and I don't make a fuss if I have to walk by them because they were there first. If they were somewhere first, I stand away from them far away where they can't blow it near me. I also stand far away from the smoking areas. I am happy for places that try and accommodate smokers by making an area for them to smoke in. For the ones that can't stand second hand smoke, they can stay far away from the area like I do.

If they want to smoke in their own home or in their own car, they can go right ahead. But they cannot do it in my home or near my baby. My sister in law smokes but she doesn't do it near me nor in her house. I just don't go to anyone's home if it smells like smoke. Problem solved. I won't complain about it because it's their home. I just won't go to their home. My brother in law smokes too and he also does it outside.

I remember the days when I hated walking through areas that were smokey because I had no choice and I hated it. I just avoided places too that were smokey and I sat far away from the smoking sections as possible.

BTW I have gone to bars just to do fricken karokee and I couldn't here because of the smoke. Also the smoking ban keeps smoking away from malls and other stores so that is why I applaud it.


I'm sorry but there are just lot of rude smokers out there and people just choose to smoke so they are picking their difficult life when they decide to start. Some are considerate because they don't do it near people and they don't do it around their kids and they do it outside instead or on the back porch. I think smoking around kids is child abuse, same as smoking in the home and car where they live and ride in. Smoking is bad for your lunges and kids shouldn't be exposed to that.

Your attitude gives me the reason why I hate smokers but I don't hate the considerate ones. My husband was a smoker for 15 years. Surprised?

It's something I feel very strongly about. It's not so much to do with the smokers as much as it is to do with the fact that all pleasures are under threat from hysterical publicly-funded bansturbators and other ignorant blowhards. Salt, fat, food, sugar, alcoholic beverages, smoking, various prohibited types of consensual adult pornography, home education and more besides.

I don't like smoking myself much but I fancy taking up cigar smoking because so many petty people hate it with an unseemly passion.

It's funny actually that the Irish Chief Medical Officer has said that the smoking ban has made almost zero difference to smoking rates in the Republic of Ireland which has the strictest smoking ban in the whole of Europe (besides the United Kingdom and her Crown Dependencies). That's very interesting as it shows that the smoking ban has singularly failed in what it was intended to do.

feel as strongly as you want, but she is being reasonable and you are not. you focused on her personally as though she had done you some injustice and she didn't.

canada had opposite results from the smoking ban (link). here is the conclusion of the canadian study:

No, she is not being more reasonable. She is just spewing forth her bigotry in a more conventionally polite way, that's all. See Deborah Arnott.



That's a very old study from way back in 2007 and was probably intended as a promotional piece.

The Irish Chief Medical Officer (i.e. one of the men supposed to be invested in promoting the ban) made his statements in the last week or so. Here, I've dug out the story from the Irish Times:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 73970.html

I think that's pretty damning, don't you? In a country with as high a smoking rate as Ireland's, people haven't given up even as their pub industry is going totally down the tubes (very much like here in the UK). They're still smoking, but now they're getting it more and more from either illegal sources that can have all kinds of impurities or are becoming 'secret smokers'.

Authoritarians are hilarious. They really are. Instead of getting angry, I should be laughing. Good, long and hard.

The more they ban things, the bigger it all comes back. The impetus for this interference is waning as the charlatans realise that there's more money to be made in bullying fat people and drinkers.

we've banned smoking for many years, so more recent data is not necessary. just because it' didn't work in ireland doesn't make it universal - it works here.

and no, she was not being bigoted. you, however, were being quite nasty. so watch it.

That's very debatable.

Hating a subgroup of people as she herself says in her post is one of the key definitions of bigotry. Let's have a little look:



Oops.

How's it different from saying that she dislikes gays, Jews, Muslims or, hell, autistics? It isn't, except smoker-bashing is more socially acceptable these days.



Smoking rates do seem to be on the decline in many places in the world... but I bet that the real picture is much more nuanced - think of the 'secret smokers' thing I referred to earlier. My dad never smokes in public and would swear blind he was a non-smoker. I didn't put the packet of L&B in his mouth - he does it himself most evenings. But he's a non-smoker, he's given up, he says he's not one of 'them'.

I've never smoked but a hobby as traduced as this by, well, so many people must have something going for it. Even if it's only an excellent way of winding people up.

Tequila, you went on the offensive in a way that was completely unnecessary. you were quite mean to her, and she responded to that. she also doesn't hate ALL smokers, obviously - just smokers who want to push it in her face, which she explained.

it's also off-topic, so since you have already said your piece here (as we have all done), then start your own thread about smoking at this point if you want to continue the discussion.

I can't be bothered, but thanks for the invitation.

If I was hostile, I was hostile because I cannot understand the mentality of someone that dislikes something so much that they would ban it, indeed they laud that ban, even when it either doesn't affect them or they choose to be affected by it.

I see me hating smokers same as me hating black and white thinkers, racist people, child molesters, criminals, drug addicts, ignorant people and hypocrites, as*holes, bullies, very judgmental people and closed minded people. I hate religious people too who shove it in other peoples faces and try and impose it on others. But I do not hate people who have religion and live by it, just as long as they don't shove it in my face or try and impose it on me and preach it to me and tell me how I am going to hell or telling me how wrong I am with my beliefs, I am fine with them.







If I wanted to choose to be affected by it, all I have to do is tell people to smoke in my own home or in my car, stand near them when they are smoking, tell them to blow it in my face so I can get bad lunges. All I would have to do is go to their home where they smoke and and also ride in their cars too where they smoke if I want to be affected by it. But the other way, how do I not choose it? Am I to stay home and never leave my home because there might be a smoker near a building or someone who will walk by mt with a lit cigarette in their hand when I go for walks and I can stay at home and live off of social security and food stamps and all the other government assistance so I can continue eating peoples tax money and be lazy and possibly get fat for not being very active because I'd be choosing to be affected by it for trying to live a normal life.

My landlord doesn't allowed smoking anyway so the neighbors do it outside.

I'm sorry, I'm not permitted to continue this discussion here. If you wish, make a separate thread for that purpose.

I shall be waiting.

Uh oh, I'm agreeing with Tequila. People who never use a facility should not even voice a negative vibe against it. People in church should not condemn those that don't.. same for bars and sporting events and any other social situation.. Although with a name like Tequila the lines are pre-drawn on the topic of taverns and pubs. But, antithetically should civilians complain about war zones they are not in?... there are no social absolutes.. none.

When I drink, which is seldom, I drink at home alone. I haven't been to a bar in over a decade. I too cannot hear conversation when "music" is played. The smoke stank.. but I do not say all that should change and be outlawed whilst I sit at home and have no intention of ever going in a bar to renew the experience. As it is.. I do not have a social network for finding gainful employment, as opposed to volunteer work (which I find insulting). Bars, like the battlefield, unsavory as it is, may be a place of opportunity. My (all of our) condition is only a serious problem when it inhibits opportunity. One may need to put on the uniform and bite down and head to the front for the chance of opportunity knowing that it comes with the chance of catastrophe.

Speaking as somebody who enjoys the city's nightlife and finds myself caught up in it at least once a week, I don't believe they're a good place to meet people. People generally go there with a group of friends and stay with them all night - it is of course possible to meet new people through the friends you go to the bar with, but that's a possibility at any social gathering, regardless of it's location. It's unlikely you'll bump into a complete stranger at the bar and form any kind of meaningful relationship, especially if you go alone.

I'm Dyslexic, If my attitude was I don't like reading, it gives me a headache and it's not fun I'd be illiterate. Sorry but I sort of agree with your mom. I went out every sencond night of me first year of College, Becuase I needed the practice more than others. One thing though. Don't go to places there you can't here and talk to people, or cause sensory issues. I personly love country pubs and realy love good beer gradens with a nice pint on a quite day.

Your not expected to enjoy it, for us it's homework. try to have a two sentence conversation with the bar man. next time try to make small talk with the man sitting at the bar. It takes effort. But I've passed some NT's socialy that were going straight from College home and never socializing. it takes 100,000 hours to become and expert in anything, start with one.