Do you ever get bullied, without even knowing it.

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16 Jan 2013, 9:26 pm

I briefly saw that someone else in here saying that they have trouble telling the different between when someone is joking and when they are being mean. Although I am getting better at it in terms of people disrespecting you.

One of the ways though that I notice when someone is being deliberate is when they say something that makes you feel icky or uncomfortable and then they throw in the "I was just kidding," or "That was a joke by the way."

A second way I notice when one is being mean is after they say things and then you call them out. So they talk to you and never apologize. Instead it's "First of all I never said that." "Stop accusing me of things that I never said." Then they get mad and find everything little thing wrong with you that they can to put themselves up.

A Third is when someone acts like your friend but keeps stabbing you and you call them out for mistreating you, "After all that I have done, you have some nerve talking to me like that."



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17 Jan 2013, 8:23 am

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Do you ever get bullied, without even knowing it.

How is someone supposed to answer this question, if they don't know they're bing bullied?



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17 Jan 2013, 1:01 pm

I think what we are discussing here is reading the major social cues of any types of bullying.

Somes examples of bullying that I had problems with as a teen

1. Someone acting like your friend but showing signs of not acting like one and boasting to you about getting together with other people while shutting you out. E.I- Hey friend, guess what? Me and persons, AB& C went to the new pizza place over the weekend and then went to catch "Warm Bodies." (They constantly do this to you while you wonder why you are not invited until you get a direct answer from person A or B about them disliking you)]

2. When someone constantly leads you around by being passive aggressive and manipulative. E.I- One person calls you up and leaves a message and you retrieve the call. They talk briefly and then say, "Can you call back within the next 15 minutes, I need to put my make up on, do the dishes etc. Then you call back and they supposedly just left for another friend's house.

3. Getting together with certain people at specific times. For instance- Having a certain look or trait while doing something at a certain time and the other person(s) is/are constantly talking picking at you for not doing this right or having that. This is out of jealousy. This happened to me whenever I would eat with a childhood friend and her mother as she became a teenager. I was always the petite one and they would poke in little comments in like "You don't eat right," or "We thought you were anorexic when you your younger." Finally, "Your weight is below normal. At your age, you should be x weight by now but you are now."


Those are three areas I had trouble reading and the first was the most difficult and hurtful. I could not understand why they were doing it.



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18 Jan 2013, 9:07 am

chlov wrote:
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Do you ever get bullied, without even knowing it.

How is someone supposed to answer this question, if they don't know they're bing bullied?

You can notice it later when you recall the situation.

When I was at school, I thought it was normal.



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18 Jan 2013, 1:07 pm

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Do you ever get bullied, without even knowing it.

How is someone supposed to answer this question, if they don't know they're bing bullied?

You can notice it later when you recall the situation.

When I was at school, I thought it was normal.

I'm in HS now, and recalling situations of elementary or middle school, I can't recognize if I was really bullied or not.



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18 Jan 2013, 2:21 pm

A lot of the more subtle rejection doesn't bother me as I'm so used to it. I don't expect "friends" to remain friendly for long and generally find it best to keep a polite distance from everyone and expect no favours from anyone.



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18 Jan 2013, 2:38 pm

Come to think of it, I did not ever re-call what my peers in high school or other people who I considered friends were being bullies until I heard someone on the radio talk about school bullying and other types.

They were talking about a non malignant form of bullying which is by omission. That is where one goes around and spreads rumors about you and then you get rejected and oppressed based on those rumors.



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18 Jan 2013, 4:01 pm

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My family gets upset when I mute the TV during commercials. I tell them it is just people trying to make you think you need something. To me, that is bulling too.


Yes! I particularly despise charity adverts and their shameless use of child/animal actors and "touching" piano music. It's all so naff. I refuse to be emotionally manipulated by anybody. I think it's the only self-defense I actually have.



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18 Jan 2013, 9:41 pm

muldoon wrote:
downsmith wrote:
My family gets upset when I mute the TV during commercials. I tell them it is just people trying to make you think you need something. To me, that is bulling too.


Yes! I particularly despise charity adverts and their shameless use of child/animal actors and "touching" piano music. It's all so naff. I refuse to be emotionally manipulated by anybody. I think it's the only self-defense I actually have.


What about those sales people working kiosks at the mall who follow you around when you are trying to walk by their stand. This is even though you do not look at them.

To me that is a form of bullying someone into buying their products.



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18 Jan 2013, 10:44 pm

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I don't know the specifics of what people did to you.

But I feel compelled to share I slightly different viewpoint of 'making fun of' that I have come to develop over the years.

I think people making fun of other people is actually really beneficial and is a natural dynamic of human social interaction.

People will nitpick at each other in attempts to homogenize and refine each other, this is really the purpose of making fun.

When your younger in grade school, or even high school, this instinct manifests it as being very mean, especially to us. Because we typically get made fun of for things we will never be able to change, and the people making fun of don't realize we can't change that. I was poked fun at alot in my early years, and I thought this was very horrible. But I came to realize these people aren't inherently mean, they are expressing a innate tribal instinct in humans, that humans placed in proximity of each other will nitpick, they poke fun, it is a tribal dynamic, to get everyone on the same wavelength. People will naturally try to 'make fun of' or 'nitpick' things out of you that don't fit into the tribal dynamic of the group.

Typically more serious poking fun of is done by groups of people to individuals. Because the group is literally trying to erode incompatible properties out of the individual so they can join the group. So if you understand poking fun of in this manner, to me I stopped seeing it as so terrible. You have to understand that even people who highly respect each, even people in tight knit groups, still heavily poke fun at each other, for this reason, of trying to homogenize themselves to form a stronger bond. The act of poking fun is not inherently mean, it is inherently for strengthening social bonds.

However, the thing that is terrible about this for us is that, many of the qualities people try to erode out of us, cannot be eroded out of us by nitpicking, and we ourselves don't even realize that. And us being 'weird' we have many qualities people think they need to erode out of us.

However there is a solution. Eventually people stopped poking fun at me about my oddities when I started to unapologetically express my oddities. When I started to very sternly declare, I am weird, this is how I am, this is what I am going to do. If someone poked fun at me, I expressed my weirdness more intensely. Until I stood my ground in my identity and my weirdness, then people would realize, its not a quality they can erode out of me, and they would respect it, even find amusement in it.

If someone says something purposely on the meaner side to me, I return it to them. Really you must learn to be quick in your thoughts and how you respond to people. It is more a social test than anything. I have actually gotten really good at this and have became friends with people who, 10 years ago, I never would of imagined myself becoming friends with. The truth is, everyone wants to be friends with everyone, some people just have stricter and more mean fronts to get through. You might find being outright bullyish back to people of those types is actually what they want, its how they play, its how they flirt with others. In fact I would go so far as to say, you should be slightly cold to everyone you first meet, make them earn your respect.


I like this post. Good work! :)


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20 Jan 2013, 9:37 am

Bullied no, but people being completely two-faced? Sure. I think in adulthood, bullying for the most part is over. Instead comes the lies and deceit. It could happen anywhere. At your job you can be doing well but there could be people you rub the wrong way and they b***h and lie about you to their boss without you knowing. This incident just happened to me but luckily for me, my bosses like me very much and defended me.


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21 Jan 2013, 8:13 pm

Homer_Bob wrote:
Bullied no, but people being completely two-faced? Sure. I think in adulthood, bullying for the most part is over. Instead comes the lies and deceit. It could happen anywhere. At your job you can be doing well but there could be people you rub the wrong way and they b***h and lie about you to their boss without you knowing. This incident just happened to me but luckily for me, my bosses like me very much and defended me.
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Yes that is a form of bullying. What is worse is that they go and act like you are their best friend to your face and even do things with you and then find out what types of flaws you easily have and make a big deal out of it.

What about watching your boss get everyone else a gift and a card for special occasions while you get nothing from them when it is your turn?

Also, them going to everyone else's social gatherings but yours? To me that is a type of bullying as well.

There are also other types of adult bullying which are more the less suttle:

1. People in public who giggle and play mind games and push your buttons about your wear until you tell them they are being mean and then they feel insulted and call you ugly.

2. More so suttle where people call you their friends and then don't include you in things but invite everyone else but you to social gatherings and come up with an excuse not to invite you. This is rather than being upfront.
3. People who call themselves your friends and are not happy with you and play mind games and say that the other person is complaining but not being upfront.



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22 Jan 2013, 6:13 pm

I'd say given that I take most things people say literally, I've had quite a few situations where I'll look back and realize someone was messing with me. Or that I might have been perceived in a way that I didn't to project.

Having these realizations later on, and thinking about them over and over is exhausting. It's only from some good behavioral therapy that I'm learning to deal with it. Realizing these things sooner helps too.

makes me think that Aspies get it, we are naive but we do "get it", we just get it really really slow.


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30 Jan 2013, 6:20 am

Yep. Intimidation, gossip, taunting are too common. People want to control others, so they push to see what you will do for them. If I notice, not so much. But I am oblivious to NT signals. I may see them, but what they mean takes a while.
I forget people lie. Later, I feel like a fool. It repeats. The fool expands.
Sometimes they don't know what they do. At least, I didn't know what I was doing. :huh:
I am guilty of aggressive verbal assault. I was attempting to be witty and urbane. 8) I was having fun, but no fun was had.
Every negative encounter I suppressed. I told no one. I told myself rejection protected me from knowing a total jerk or worse. I was ashamed. Bitter. I stuffed all my hurt feelings into my subconscious. :arrow: I spoke without thinking. Venom covered my cruel words and I thought it was amusing. :twisted: I laughed. Ten yeas later, I processed the shocked faces. Now I'm scared to see anyone I like, because I am cruel. That sucks. :(



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30 Jan 2013, 9:26 am

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Yep. Intimidation, gossip, taunting are too common. People want to control others, so they push to see what you will do for them. If I notice, not so much. But I am oblivious to NT signals. I may see them, but what they mean takes a while.
I forget people lie. Later, I feel like a fool. It repeats. The fool expands.
Sometimes they don't know what they do. At least, I didn't know what I was doing. :huh:
I am guilty of aggressive verbal assault. I was attempting to be witty and urbane. 8) I was having fun, but no fun was had.
Every negative encounter I suppressed. I told no one. I told myself rejection protected me from knowing a total jerk or worse. I was ashamed. Bitter. I stuffed all my hurt feelings into my subconscious. :arrow: I spoke without thinking. Venom covered my cruel words and I thought it was amusing. :twisted: I laughed. Ten yeas later, I processed the shocked faces. Now I'm scared to see anyone I like, because I am cruel. That sucks. :(
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Wow-

I am going to say one more thing since I have seen lots of bullying in my life time.

Roommates can be bullies too and especially if you don't meet their expectations or understand each other.

They can:
Manipulate, intimidate, and lie to you. I have seen it happen.



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30 Jan 2013, 2:50 pm

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Roommates can be bullies too and especially if you don't meet their expectations or understand each other.

They can:
Manipulate, intimidate, and lie to you. I have seen it happen.[/quote]

Been there.

Was also bullied by a college professor for awhile. Was unaware of it until a procter pointed it out. He felt the need to report her to the college dean, and the professor left me alone after she got a warning. :)


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