Just how DO we meet other people and make friends anyway?

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charlie92
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21 Jun 2014, 5:41 am

Yes this so much. I hate when people just say 'get out more' as if that will work. It never just so happens that a stranger will make friends with you out of nowhere.



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21 Jun 2014, 7:48 am

^^^^
ikr, you could easily "get out more" everyday for years and still probably not make any real friends with random strangers. :roll:



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25 Jun 2014, 1:27 am

Im in my first year of college after dropping out of my senior year and taking my GED tests, and I'm having a much more stressful time with humans than I'd anticipated. I was happy to get a room alone, but have to share the facilities and kitchen with two people sharing a room to the south west (that doesn't help at all but i spent the time to figure out which way was which and decided to share). They're normal people, not unkind or anything; but they seem kind of scared of me (which is common for some reason), and it just puts me in a bad spot, expecting to be feared every day. There have even been a bunch of girls that have shown interest in me, which should be a good thing but i consider it a bad thing because i have no idea what i would even do if i managed to have a single successful conversation with any one of them. Being attractive and autistic is annoying sometimes. There is a cute girl in one of my Pysch classes that sat next to me on the first day when it wasn't convenient to do so; i didn't manage to talk to her, of course, but she doesn't seem deterred ? yet. I've actually had a good amount of friends in my life, but they rarely last long. People who don't know me at all usually dislike me, people who take some time to get to know me and attempt to understand me like me a lot, for a period. Eventually everyone dislikes me. All of my social relationships end up with people hating me. Literally every single one, even some of my family. Im becoming disinterested in this whole "friendship" thing; even if i think about how much i want people to relate to all the time. It's not worth being hated.


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25 Jun 2014, 9:51 am

Mugen wrote:
I have become comfortable being alone so although I do not have many friends and the ones I do have aren't very close friends, it's not a problem any more.

I used to think of it as a huge problem though and I thought I'd share something I learned by looking back on my experiences trying to make friends.

My instinct was to emulate NT's friend forming habits, to do what they do... make smalltalk, slowly add in more real talk... get into interactions by making it seem casual - I used to smoke hand-rolled cigarettes (we call 'em rollies) so I would sometimes ask to borrow a filter from someone who's smoking a rollie, then chill near them and smoke the cigarette. Sometimes not much would be said but that's OK because I'm just smoking my ciggy and other times we'd get into a conversation about something. I found these interactions stressful, awkward, boring... they made me feel like I was weird in a bad way and like I was somehow wrong inside (???)

The most success I had was with pushing my Aspieness to the forefront! I would walk up to groups of cool looking people (very intimidating to me) and just insert myself into their circle with no regard for this not being socially acceptable, throw in a strange greeting (standard would be "greetings, strangers!" or "salutations, fellow humans") and just talk about how weird things people consider normal are. If they were like "what are you doing?" I'd agree with them that what I was doing was weird and talk about how weird it is that it's considered a weird thing to do. It worked for me! I think NTs get weighed down by the social pretense too just not as much as we do, plus most open-minded people seem to enjoy meeting someone a bit weird with an off-beat sense of humour and a strange perspective on things. I often enjoyed playing devils advocate with these groups of NTs and offering a contrasting opinion not because my opinion opposed theirs, but to offer a fresh perspective. One thing I noticed though is this still gets tiring and when you find yourself closing in again and getting more quiet, you should excuse yourself and leave... if you do this and then hang around long enough for it to be too much and start getting antisocial they will think of you as the wrong kind of weird.

TLDR; maybe try wielding your autism like a sword or a shield and push it right up in their face instead of imitating NTs. A lot of them really like it when you do this! It does take a lot of courage though, and you will need to tell yourself you don't care if it goes badly and just throw yourself out there for better or worse.


I find an approach like Mugen's works well for me, also. I'm going to be weird no matter what I do, so I strive for quirky weird rather than the "wrong kind of weird". I more go for interesting looking people. I'm more comfortable kind of existing on dead end jobs in the fringes of society. I don't have the social skills for management. But I've met some amazing friends because I chatted with people outside coffee shops and occasionally have been approached to be talked to. Sometimes it's painful and awkward, but try to chalk that up as social skills practice.

I function best one on one with people or in small groups. Small house parties are some of my favorite things. It's nice if you can meet one friend and then kind of find a few friends in their group you can get along with.

I don't like nightclubs or clubs in general for making friends. Dancing bores me and I like music at conversational levels except in concerts and road trips. I change a lot sometimes and I found if friendships are based on specific interests they tend to fall apart when my interests change. Like loosing religious friends if you change your mind about faith or something...

I recommend avoiding popularity. In my mid-twenties my social skills got good enough to sort of know lots of people. I didn't have time to get close to any of them, and I was constantly stressed out from figuring out the complex nest of rules and people who fight with each other and want to draw you into it and stuff. I am firmly for keeping a small group of close friends now. Much simpler and more fun.



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25 Jun 2014, 5:57 pm

Relationships of any kind need time to blossom. Most people make friends by accident. For example, just about all of my friends are people I met through school or uni or work. Because I was in a situation where I had to meet them, we gradually became friends. Our time together is what lead us to our bonding as well as the fact that they already had qualities I value in people.

If you are actively looking for friends, try not to be too desperate about it. It just has to happen on its own. You said you've joined clubs, so maybe host events or try to participate in gatherings. Let people know that you are interested, but don't try to push too hard. Remember, friendship is mutual.



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26 Jun 2014, 11:47 am

It's interesting that even people who are good at making friends and socially successfull can't really explain how to make friends.
Also if you go out with the intention of making friends people think you're a weirdo but if you're out to find sex it's perfectly normal.



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26 Jun 2014, 12:15 pm

This is a question that has riddled me for years. I look at my NT cousin (very extroverted), and all she has to do is walk into a new job or some other new place and within the day she's got a pile of new best friends, and by the next week she's invited out with them and is accepted straight away. I really don't know how she does it. Thankfully not all NTs have that skill, but this one does. She just knows how to build friendships. I do get jealous sometimes.

I am likeable, but I can only go as far as getting acquainted. As I only have mild Asperger's, I have a high self-awareness, and I have observed typical NT behaviour, especially social behaviour, over the years, and have also read up on how to improve social skills too. I've never been that bad with reading non-verbal cues, which I thought would help a bit. And I have been told that I'm very empathetic too, which I believe I am, and I know how to respond to people without upsetting them. But I still can't seem to make friends that well. I think it's just one of those unexplainable things people have. It doesn't even have to have a lot to do with your social motives and functions and what have you, it's just a sort of aura type of thing what NTs have what nobody can see or even explain what it actually is, but it just socially attracts people and wins you friends. It seems most people with conditions like Asperger's just don't have this ''aura''. I've never been a strong believer in auras and all that kind of thing, but really I do believe that there's just something NTs have around them what Aspies don't, and no matter how hard I try to better my social skills and show more interest in people, I just will never quite make it, even if I try everything in the book. That's my theory.


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26 Jun 2014, 1:45 pm

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I look at my NT cousin (very extroverted), and all she has to do is walk into a new job or some other new place and within the day she's got a pile of new best friends, and by the next week she's invited out with them and is accepted straight away.


I have a friend like that, too, and I really think it's mostly a matter of confidence: she always has been liked, so she expects to be liked, and she loves other people (because she knows they love her), and so it just creates an ever-increasing spiral of confidence. Whereas I don't expect to be liked, I don't like other people (because I don't expect them to like me), and so it creates an ever-decreasing spiral.

The good news is that if you can make friends with just one person like your cousin (and as you point out, they're very easy to be friends with), she can open doors for you, socially. My friend gets me out, introduces me to everyone, basically just tugs me along in her wake. I feel like there's no pressure on me at all, and that people will look at me more kindly, knowing I'm friends with this goddess.