WHAT CAN AN NT DO TO MAKE A FRIENDSHIP WORK WITH YOU
Answering nurseangela's question: "Can I ask who these people are, what it is they are trying to get you to do and if they know you have AS?"
I am in my 60s. A few years ago I started seeing a psychologist who said "your behavior is consistent with Aspergers". He said I had Asperger traits so I think I do not fully meet the criteria.
I heard that phrase from my parents, friends and coworkers. It is usually when they are explaining how to do something. For me, I think executive dysfunction causes my struggle to grasp instructions and find things ("You are looking right at it. It is right in front of you").
Also, socially. In making people feel worse instead of better or not know what to say to comfort someone. "She is distraught. I don't know why you are not getting this."
People thought I was not trying, was cold and did not care or "not the brightest bulb". One coworker told someone she thought I was brain damaged.
This was all before I went to the psychologist.
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Impermanence.
--Early on, just let me mostly watch you and others; it's my way of learning how I can fit in conversationally.
--I appreciate humor; let me join in the joke sometimes.
--If I get lost in the weeds with details or facts, wait a little while before asking me to be more generalized.
--It is okay to give me signal about moving on with something I say or do; my friends know that they can whisper "a little too Aspie" as a hint.
-- My social time limit is about two hours a day; don't feel bad if I leave early.
Stuff like that.

Those are just about the rules I'd have if I were to start choosing them. However, I'm used to putting up with the exact opposite behavior, and to being told that not wanting to tolerate it is a serious flaw of mine I have to correct, and that those who behave that way are doing me a favor by not letting me remain spoiled.
It sounds like those people need to read up on Aspieism. I've been on an Aspie site for a year and a half and I'm still learning. If I met my Aspie friends in person, I probably would make a few mistakes and they would have to correct me. Of course, I would also want them to learn a little something about NT females. It seems my Aspie friends don't want to do that and they have a hard time compromising especially when it comes to their alone time.
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
- Try to say what you mean, and mean what you say.
- Don't attempt to "interpret" what I say, just listen to the actual words, it's probably all in there.
- Don't rock up at my door for a visit without warning.
The first one is hard to do especially if you don't want to come off as "rude" I guess is the word. Trying to be polite gets in the way of the first one.
The second one is also difficult because NT brains are made to infer certain things especially as we take in facial expressions, voice tones and body movements.
I'm with the third one - that's me. I don't hardly even answer the phone when it rings. I had a friend actually come over unannounced thinking that I was supposed to be there and answer the door to let her in. I was sleeping! She actually got mad. Whatever. I'm sure she won't do that again.
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
I am in my 60s. A few years ago I started seeing a psychologist who said "your behavior is consistent with Aspergers". He said I had Asperger traits so I think I do not fully meet the criteria.
I heard that phrase from my parents, friends and coworkers. It is usually when they are explaining how to do something. For me, I think executive dysfunction causes my struggle to grasp instructions and find things ("You are looking right at it. It is right in front of you").
Also, socially. In making people feel worse instead of better or not know what to say to comfort someone. "She is distraught. I don't know why you are not getting this."
People thought I was not trying, was cold and did not care or "not the brightest bulb". One coworker told someone she thought I was brain damaged.
This was all before I went to the psychologist.
Aspies have actually told me that they have a hard time carrying on a conversation because they just can't think of the questions to ask so I end up keeping the conversation going. They also don't know what to say to comfort someone - it can be learned, but it's mechanical. My Aspie friend that is very Aspie actually has no feelings and has been a cutter just so he could feel something. He said he is better off not having any feelings, but I feel sorry for him because he can't even feel happiness or sadness or empathy. He is only able to feel physical pain. What kind of life is that? I don't even know what that would be like. So I can't expect him to comfort me because he has not idea of what I'm feeling. He has, however, learned what to say to comfort me. I have read about the executive functioning that you mention. I'll have to refresh myself on it again, but I do believe you are right in what you say. My Aspie friend also doesn't know why people grieve at funerals when a person dies and I explained the reasoning to him. He said he didn't cry for his Pa when he died and he doesn't miss his Pa either. I wonder if he misses me at all?
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
My one Aspie friend I thought would be a possible Hunny - we have everything in common and for the first several months we texted daily, sometimes for several hours. Then he finally told me that was too much and I tried to compromise and now he texts me maybe once a week and I usually initiate it otherwise he would think texting me once a month or longer would be great. What I didn't tell him is that he's been "friend-zoned". An NT female needs more connection than that. It probably would never had happened anyway because he's obsessed with the zodiac and said it wouldn't work between us because my sign was not a match for him. Great. Doesn't matter that we have the same likes in everything else, were attracted to each other and I understood his Aspie traits. He'd rather keep trying to find someone with a matching zodiac sign. He said his ex girlfriend had a somewhat matching sign according to the moon or whatever and that he probably would have married her, but she also cheated on him and treated him like crap. Go figure. I just said "ok", otherwise he was ready to end our friendship. (Heavy sigh). Once an Aspie believes in something it's hard to change their mind.
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
You could discuss with your friend if he misses you at all but be prepared for an answer you might not want to hear. If he would not miss you, it might not mean he does not value or even love you. There are people I love but I really would prefer to never see again. I don't like interacting in person with anyone except my daughter. Everyone else I would prefer to email. Some people can love others and not enjoy face-to-face interaction. That is only for some people, though.
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Impermanence.
My one Aspie friend I thought would be a possible Hunny - we have everything in common and for the first several months we texted daily, sometimes for several hours. Then he finally told me that was too much and I tried to compromise and now he texts me maybe once a week and I usually initiate it otherwise he would think texting me once a month or longer would be great. What I didn't tell him is that he's been "friend-zoned". An NT female needs more connection than that. It probably would never had happened anyway because he's obsessed with the zodiac and said it wouldn't work between us because my sign was not a match for him. Great. Doesn't matter that we have the same likes in everything else, were attracted to each other and I understood his Aspie traits. He'd rather keep trying to find someone with a matching zodiac sign. He said his ex girlfriend had a somewhat matching sign according to the moon or whatever and that he probably would have married her, but she also cheated on him and treated him like crap. Go figure. I just said "ok", otherwise he was ready to end our friendship. (Heavy sigh). Once an Aspie believes in something it's hard to change their mind.
It sounds like the friend zone is the best thing. He may not have much to give you by way of relationship. Just accept what you enjoy and look elsewhere for something more extensive.
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Impermanence.
..... It seems that some others here have a lot more friendship baggage than me. All I need for a long and happy friendship is two things (for casual friendships not as much required): for my friend to understand on a pretty basic level my symptoms, and hence why I can't always come up with the response they are looking for, etc. And second for my friend to understand that I am particularly sensitive to certain comparisons, like kraftie said.
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There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.
Nahj ul-Balāgha by Ali bin Abu-Talib
Also do NOT make it a point to insist on needing to be argumentative. When you are in disagreement with an Aspie's observations or statements, a better approach is to ask what brought said Aspie to their belief, and if you have stronger evidence from credible sources as to correcting our observations, feel free to ask about what the Aspie knows about said research/evidence/sources, and whether said Aspie has researched/examined such materials yet.
Actually, a disagreement came up just last week with one of my Aspie friends. He went to study for a month abroad in China and now wants to maybe go do his Speech Pathology degree in China. He has everything already set up here and has been accepted to two colleges and I don't think it's a good idea. He also didn't want to leave his parents here. Of course, after I brought up why I disagreed, I also said that it will be his decision and whatever decision he makes I will support him. Thing is, if he does go study in China, I will most likely never talk much to him again. And when I say that I will truly miss him if he goes, he just says "Thanks! It's good to know that someone will miss me." I'm thinking, aren't you going to miss me? I've been talking to him for a year and a half. Maybe he won't miss me, Idk. I'm just trying to pull away more from the friendship so I won't get hurt as much if he does leave.
Another thing, I usually tell him everything that I am thinking and feeling, but when I do he never says anything. I have asked him if it bothers him that I'm venting and he always says "No". He's not very good at comforting me. I don't know what he would do in person, but he doesn't even send a text telling me he's listening or anything. I always feel weird.
It may not exactly be that he doesn't feel for you. One of the problems with being on the spectrum is that you don't know how to emotionally satisfy people, so lots of times you might not even try because it could make it worse. That and we often have trouble understanding our own feelings too. So no response doesn't mean that there isn't anything going on.
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There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.
Nahj ul-Balāgha by Ali bin Abu-Talib
- Try to say what you mean, and mean what you say.
- Don't attempt to "interpret" what I say, just listen to the actual words, it's probably all in there.
- Don't rock up at my door for a visit without warning.
This second one totally explains one of the gaps in communication. We can be painstakingly explicit, yet the person we're talking to is instantly looking for subtext. It's frustrating when you think you've phrased yourself and chosen your vocabulary perfectly, and oftentimes people give you the least charitable interpretation right off the bat.
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There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.
Nahj ul-Balāgha by Ali bin Abu-Talib
I would love it if my NT friends would be a bit more blunt about what they are thinking or feeling about me in a situation, both positive and negative. When they react in a way that is ambiguous to me, I'll spend an extended period of time worrying and stressing about whether or not I've done something to ruin the friendship. If I know somebody will tell me, (gently) when I have done something that they didn't like, I'll feel like I can relax a lot more in the relationship, of course that definitely goes for the positives, too. A lot of us are very used to being rejected by friends, so in the early formation of a friendship, and just every once in a while, it is important to do things that affirm that you are still close, like referring to them as a friend when introducing them, or sharing a confidence with just them, and letting them know that. It is much easier for us to be friends with NTs when we are completely secure that we're going to stay friends with said NT.
Also, and this definitely depends on the Aspie, but for me, a lot of the time when I am very quiet, (especially in group settings,) I think NTs assume that I don't want to talk, am being shy, or don't have anything to say. This is never the case for me. Oftentimes, especially in group settings, I have a very hard time joining the conversation, and my favourite people at parties are the ones who direct a few questions right at me to keep me involved in the conversation, but in a way that doesn't feel forced, or that feels like they're talking to me like I'm a child. What I mean by that is that sometimes when people do this, they make the mistake of either talking down to me with their tone, (yes, I can usually tell,) or focusing the conversation on just me, or changing the topic for me, which makes me sort of feel like they know I couldn't jump in on my own, so they've derailed the conversation to something nobody else cares about in an attempt to appease me. I know it's weird, but I don't like that. It's best to find a way to incorporate the Aspie into the current conversation, they may not tell you, but if they're anything like me, they'll think you're a life-saver.
I don't understand not wanting to be around someone you love. It sounds like you have a different love then for your daughter because you want to be around her. Is that right?
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Me grumpy?
I'm happiness challenged.
Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 83 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 153 of 200 You are very likely neurotypical
Darn, I flunked.
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