Evangelical Christians as friends of Aspies
Most of my friends in college are evangelical christians. i joined their campus ministry after having been at other campus ministries and they were there too. so i'd thought i check it out. They're great people, don't get me wrong. One of them in particular knows i have AS and she's so happy to have me around because she's worked with kids who have it, but lately, she's been trying to get me to get out of my comfort zone every single day. It's a bit annoying really. You know, I'm there and it's a little intimidating but i'm getting there. just don't push me all the time. once in a while is fine, but not every single time you see me. I'll get to the next step when i feel confident that i've mastered this step.
Sorry for the little tangent there.
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I had a couple of interesting discussion
partnerships with some evangelicals, but
many of them don't seem any more interesting
than the rest of run of the mill people. Worse,
there are a great many who just won't see the
value in any argument which doesn't match their
faith. Those who can intelligently discuss their faith
though are fun.
And Todd is obviously a beacon of understanding. But seriously, there's a@#holes of all stripes. Just be careful not to paint any group with too broad a brush, you might prejudice yourself out of a possible friend - and isn't that what we're really here for?
Plus I'm an evangelical Christian and theoretically an AS and I'm my own friend, so that's gotta count for something.
partnerships with some evangelicals, but
many of them don't seem any more interesting
than the rest of run of the mill people. Worse,
there are a great many who just won't see the
value in any argument which doesn't match their
faith. Those who can intelligently discuss their faith
though are fun.
i agree completely
i have had lots of very interesting conversations with intelligent christians
but i have had many more pointless conversations with ignorant christians
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I have no patience. One of my closest friends (he had OCD as well and I suspect a touch of the 'perger's) went to Liberty (school founded by Jerry Falwell) and the only times he spoke to me after that were to get in stupid-ass religious arguments with me. (We no longer speak now). I think saying they're OK as long as they don't try to convert you is kind of a null statement, especially since even if they're not trying to change you they definitely have a mindset that is not tolerant of those different from them. My grandmother's a bible beater as well (has gotten significantly worse with age) and she has adopted a holier than thou attitude that is alienating her from her family.
I think anyone who would honestly worship a god that would send so many good people to "hell" because they don't do or believe certain things are kind of sick. (Thus my conversion from Christianity to agnoticism to Judaism). Regarding Christianity in general, I think it originally had the potential to do great good but is too far past that point now. Too many Christians are taking their religion as a mandate to push their agendas (I mention Christianity and not other religions because the US is a predominently Christian nation, although I acknowledge there are similar issues with other religions.) On a regular basis, no matter where I go, I find Christians who feel they are justified in whatever behavior because they believe it's what their god wanted. They are taking FAR too many liberties with something as holy as the word of god, and with the audacity to claim to speak for him in too many instances.
So regarding relationships with Evangelicals, I simply can't, and frankly have a lot of trouble relating to most Christians as well.
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As an adult i have a strong aversion and distrust of evangelical christians for all the reason listed before this post..etc....They frankly creep me out...Most particularly the ones who wear it on their sleeve and shove it in people's faces....I also dislike it when "alternative" christian rock bands occasionally play at my venue because i have to unavoidably listen to their lyics, which I frequently find offensive and uncomfortable...and I don't appreciate having their dogma invade my headspace in the form of a loud rock song about how Jesus is gonna come back etc......
Anywhoo....
When I was younger I was frequently friends with evangelical christians(baptists mostly)...and i guess they were my friends because it was their duty to be my friends and to try to convert me and drag me to church...(my parents were non-religious but let us figure things out for ourselves)...but I was not very convertable...even though I attended church regularly for a while...even at an early age, i was perceptive of the the judgemental, hypocritical nature of alot of the people I was exposed to....alot of racists for example...(yes I am aware that non-christians can be this way too) i never felt like a christian...I never truely believed any of the stuff I was supposed to believe...it was just something to do...I was ostracised by the kids in Sunday school for being different...I was a thorn in the side of my sunday school teacher for the same reason...and I wasn't trying to be disruptive....I just had not been properly brainwashed....
I was about 7 when I realised that these particular people I was hanging out with believed that everyone who was not a Christian was going to hell and I could not accept that...and from that point...my skepticism of christianity simply grew......Still I contiued to go through the routine of going to church with church-going friends up until about Jr. High...
partnerships with some evangelicals, but
many of them don't seem any more interesting
than the rest of run of the mill people. Worse,
there are a great many who just won't see the
value in any argument which doesn't match their
faith. Those who can intelligently discuss their faith
though are fun.
Agreed. Give and take in any theological discussion is always a good thing - ramming one's own religious views down others' throats while allowing no room for dissent is highly offensive.
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Why so serious?
i simply cannot follow any belief system that denies the rights of another group of human beings
and all sorts of horrible racist things have happened under the name of christianity and it continues to this day
when a young group of boys build a club house whats the first thing they do?
they put a nice sign that says "no girls allowed"
when ancient man created their "club" of christianity whats the first thing they did?
exclude everyone who doesnt think like they do
its almost human nature
i dont blame them i pity them for not having reached enlightenment yet
but unlike those people im not gonna shove my way of life down their throat
i just watch them do stupid stuff and laugh
not unlike a performing monkey....
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and all sorts of horrible racist things have happened under the name of christianity and it continues to this day
when a young group of boys build a club house whats the first thing they do?
they put a nice sign that says "no girls allowed"
when ancient man created their "club" of christianity whats the first thing they did?
exclude everyone who doesnt think like they do
its almost human nature
i dont blame them i pity them for not having reached enlightenment yet
but unlike those people im not gonna shove my way of life down their throat
i just watch them do stupid stuff and laugh
not unlike a performing monkey....
That's what I used to do but if you get enough performing monkeys in the same place then pretty soon you're up to your neck in monkey s**t. We've got truckloads of these people in our country who go on polluting the atmosphere with wanton disregard because they don't believe in global warming. They think the ecological changes are there because of God's anger at all the non-Christians in the world. That, my friend, is a danger worth recognizing. There's being faithful, and then there's being flat-out stupid to the point where you're endangering the whole human race. I understand that not all of them are like that, but in my experience most of them are. Some of them don't believe dinosaurs ever existed because they were not mentioned in the Bible. Their ability to deny cold, hard facts like that with absolutely no doubt in their minds scares the s**t out of me. It reminds me of "doublethink" from "1984."
and all sorts of horrible racist things have happened under the name of christianity and it continues to this day
when a young group of boys build a club house whats the first thing they do?
they put a nice sign that says "no girls allowed"
when ancient man created their "club" of christianity whats the first thing they did?
exclude everyone who doesnt think like they do
its almost human nature
i dont blame them i pity them for not having reached enlightenment yet
but unlike those people im not gonna shove my way of life down their throat
i just watch them do stupid stuff and laugh
not unlike a performing monkey....
That's what I used to do but if you get enough performing monkeys in the same place then pretty soon you're up to your neck in monkey sh**. We've got truckloads of these people in our country who go on polluting the atmosphere with wanton disregard because they don't believe in global warming. They think the ecological changes are there because of God's anger at all the non-Christians in the world. That, my friend, is a danger worth recognizing. There's being faithful, and then there's being flat-out stupid to the point where you're endangering the whole human race. I understand that not all of them are like that, but in my experience most of them are. Some of them don't believe dinosaurs ever existed because they were not mentioned in the Bible. Their ability to deny cold, hard facts like that with absolutely no doubt in their minds scares the sh** out of me. It reminds me of "doublethink" from "1984."
The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.[1]
you may have just made the perfect analogy
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