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11 Feb 2021, 5:44 am

It's a line.

Using male role models:

My dad - always shouting, always demanding, 5"6, gets people riled up against him and told he has a chip on his shoulder. He pisses people off but he either gets: 1 whatever he wants or 2 chucked out
My stepdad - a wimp who's 6"2 but gets walked all over cos he's a wimp. Heck I'm trans and my voice is less effeminate (high pitched and quiet) than his is when he's talking to strangers. He speaks all soft toned and wussy and always lets the stranger have their way. He gets walked over because of it.

Assertiveness, I need to be in between the two...

So that means: speak with a clear voice but don't shout. Slow down your words. Look the guy in the eyes (regardless of whether that works with my glasses on... still worth a shot to look at him directly) shoulders back, back straight. Don't get aggressive.

I think that would do it?


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11 Feb 2021, 10:24 am

In the united states, unless something is an essential job function, it is discrimination

For example, a flight attendant needs to be a certain height. An accountant can be any height

However, discrimination is only when someone in a position of authority, discriminates against someone lower rank

Friendships and romantic relationships do not involve discrimination. Subconscious biases, yes. But not "discrimination" per se

Anyone could be attracted to anyone. Sometimes attraction is involuntary, subconscious or natural.

Nobody has to have an inner circle that fulfills a demographic quota,



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11 Feb 2021, 8:07 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Why is height discrimination even a thing?? i have tall and short friends. It's not their height that counts, it's their personalities.


Weight and age discrimination are more of a thing than height in women.

For men height discrimination is a thing though...taller women never date a shorter man as Fnord alluded to earlier.

Not all tall women are like that. I am 6ft tall and never dated a man taller than me. Every person I have been with was shorter than me. Like about my chest height which is adorable.



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11 Feb 2021, 8:15 pm

I have to confess. In the past, I did find midgets a little comical.
Perhaps because i have seen them on TV.

Although i have to say that i don't regard people who are small in size as any different to anyone else.
It is hard not to notice how small they are.

I do really like some of the famous midgets and think they are very talented.
Especially Warwick Davis, who i think is a really talented actor, game show host etc.

He has star'ed in a number of films, including being Wicket the Ewok in Star Wars, and Willow, in the film of the same name.

I would go out with a woman who is small, i don't have an issue there.



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12 Feb 2021, 2:05 am

KT67 wrote:
Assertiveness, I need to be in between the two...

So that means: speak with a clear voice but don't shout. Slow down your words. Look the guy in the eyes (regardless of whether that works with my glasses on... still worth a shot to look at him directly) shoulders back, back straight. Don't get aggressive.

I think that would do it?


Yes that sounds about correct. Practice makes perfect :)



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12 Feb 2021, 2:08 am

Steffipanda wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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Why is height discrimination even a thing?? i have tall and short friends. It's not their height that counts, it's their personalities.


Weight and age discrimination are more of a thing than height in women.

For men height discrimination is a thing though...taller women never date a shorter man as Fnord alluded to earlier.

Not all tall women are like that. I am 6ft tall and never dated a man taller than me. Every person I have been with was shorter than me. Like about my chest height which is adorable.


You are right, there are exceptions to any rule. But you will acknowledge that dating a shorter man is being socially non-conformist to NTs right? Not that it matters if it makes you happy.



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12 Feb 2021, 2:10 am

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I would go out with a woman who is small, i don't have an issue there.


It's interesting that there are men (not you necessarily) who will date little people. I wouldn't have had a problem if the girl was compatible with me but I would always be scared of hurting her physically.



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12 Feb 2021, 2:31 am

cyberdad wrote:
Steffipanda wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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Why is height discrimination even a thing?? i have tall and short friends. It's not their height that counts, it's their personalities.


Weight and age discrimination are more of a thing than height in women.

For men height discrimination is a thing though...taller women never date a shorter man as Fnord alluded to earlier.

Not all tall women are like that. I am 6ft tall and never dated a man taller than me. Every person I have been with was shorter than me. Like about my chest height which is adorable.


You are right, there are exceptions to any rule. But you will acknowledge that dating a shorter man is being socially non-conformist to NTs right? Not that it matters if it makes you happy.

That makes sense from that viewpoint. I agree there is weight and age discrimination with women more often. I have never really cared much about height. Though I feel safer with a shorter man. They get to be closer to my heart. I do really think it is cute. What is more important to me is compatibility. Yes, there needs to be some kind of physical attraction.



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12 Feb 2021, 4:25 am

Steffipanda wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Steffipanda wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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Why is height discrimination even a thing?? i have tall and short friends. It's not their height that counts, it's their personalities.


Weight and age discrimination are more of a thing than height in women.

For men height discrimination is a thing though...taller women never date a shorter man as Fnord alluded to earlier.

Not all tall women are like that. I am 6ft tall and never dated a man taller than me. Every person I have been with was shorter than me. Like about my chest height which is adorable.


You are right, there are exceptions to any rule. But you will acknowledge that dating a shorter man is being socially non-conformist to NTs right? Not that it matters if it makes you happy.

That makes sense from that viewpoint. I agree there is weight and age discrimination with women more often. I have never really cared much about height. Though I feel safer with a shorter man. They get to be closer to my heart. I do really think it is cute. What is more important to me is compatibility. Yes, there needs to be some kind of physical attraction.


You sound very secure with your personal preferences. I think that's the main thing. We have a lot of diversity on WP and we are all comfortable with this. That's healthy for an online community,



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13 Feb 2021, 7:19 am

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Nobody has to have an inner circle that fulfills a demographic quota,


True.

But physical appearance is a shallow way to do it.

Cos it has no impact unless you're at least kissing them. Or they're so ugly you don't want to look at them... :lol:

I don't want to have thick people in my inner circle or people a different generation to me in my close friends (one of my friends from my football supporter's club is 50 years older than me, that's fine cos we just chat football & he's more my stepdad's freind) either up or down or bigoted people in my group.

Cos that actually impacts the friendship.

A friend being fat doesn't impact their ability to be into the same stuff as me.

Maybe if I was a fitness fan it would.

Besides I'm literally just saying 'if you meet a stranger, you do not know the age/education level of the stranger, do not patronise them for their height'.


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20 Feb 2021, 3:50 am

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For men height discrimination is a thing though...taller women never date a shorter man as Fnord alluded to earlier.

Never say never (I was briefly involved with at least one shorter man when I was in my twenties), but it's certainly true that most women prefer (to one extent or another) taller men.


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20 Feb 2021, 4:12 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
For men height discrimination is a thing though...taller women never date a shorter man as Fnord alluded to earlier.

Never say never (I was briefly involved with at least one shorter man when I was in my twenties), but it's certainly true that most women prefer (to one extent or another) taller men.


I suspect its biological programming rather than a conscious decision. Back in cave man times a woman who chose a smaller mate would be more likely to be eaten by sabre toothed tiger or trampled by a mammoth.



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20 Feb 2021, 4:41 am

cyberdad wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
For men height discrimination is a thing though...taller women never date a shorter man as Fnord alluded to earlier.

Never say never (I was briefly involved with at least one shorter man when I was in my twenties), but it's certainly true that most women prefer (to one extent or another) taller men.


I suspect its biological programming rather than a conscious decision. Back in cave man times a woman who chose a smaller mate would be more likely to be eaten by sabre toothed tiger or trampled by a mammoth.



I doubt few extra inches make any difference for a tiger or a mammoth.

It was probably more effective against other men.



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20 Feb 2021, 4:49 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
For men height discrimination is a thing though...taller women never date a shorter man as Fnord alluded to earlier.

Never say never (I was briefly involved with at least one shorter man when I was in my twenties), but it's certainly true that most women prefer (to one extent or another) taller men.


I suspect its biological programming rather than a conscious decision. Back in cave man times a woman who chose a smaller mate would be more likely to be eaten by sabre toothed tiger or trampled by a mammoth.



I doubt few extra inches make any difference for a tiger or a mammoth.

It was probably more effective against other men.


True, but I was talking about perception of safety for the cave girls. Plus bigger hairier males probably clubbed their shorter competition.