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20 Jul 2005, 3:33 pm

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You can't cure something when there's nothing wrong.


The only reason that asperger syndrome is a problem is because people with AS are in the minority and the rest of society isn't designed for people with it. But once you survive the horrors of school it isn't so bad.



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20 Jul 2005, 3:42 pm

Even I asked my counselor (even though she not a psychiatrist) about a pill that would help make me more open around others.

But I guess that half of the time, I jsut don't know how to socialize.

And also, most of my life I have been living in a very small town in the middle of nowhere, and my father and stepmother never got me the help I needed, and they left me to sit up in my room.


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28 Jul 2005, 4:18 pm

nayashi wrote:
You can't cure something when there's nothing wrong.


:D Cure neurotypicalism!


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29 Jul 2005, 4:19 pm

:oops: i don't know very much about AS but i think my bf must have a milder form as he does not seem to have very many outwardly showing characteristics although, he is sensitive to touch which is 'funny' in a way as i am too but because i am very VERY ticklish so if you touch me i tend to dissolve into giggles!
He does sometimes seem to have problems understanding what i mean if i don't explain properly, and he can take things very literally.
Also he tends to obsess over things taking on a hobby and concentrating exclusively on that for 6 months or so and going on to something else.
But you see some of these are reasons i like him so if there was a cure for AS i would lose, if thats the right word, half of his personality.

What i'm trying to say is, some of the quirks that make you up may be characteristics of your AS but they are also essential characteristics of you and without them you would not be who you are.

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30 Jul 2005, 3:42 am

He would loose his ENTIRE personality you mean? Because I would be dead if someone took away my (autistic) personality, I would just be so... plain...random...normal... I would defenately comitt suicide.

And what do you mean "milder form"? I am not sure I believe in that, as if though someone is afraid of saying they are aspie and go like "Yeah mild aspie here". Does that mean like Extremely nerdy individual...
Either you are autistic or you are not. I used to be ashamed of beeing emntioned in the same sentance as "headbanging-until-going-blind full blown classic autistics" but that was 4 years ago, and now I accept it. That I am the same as them by defenition. And I am becoming more and more filled with aspie-pride...



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30 Jul 2005, 7:09 am

berta wrote:
And what do you mean "milder form"?.


I think when someone says milder form they mean they are less affected by it than some poeople, or at a higher functioing point on the spectrum. Autism. Some cope with things better than others, some are less introverted than others, etc...


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31 Jul 2005, 12:17 am

For those that wish for a cure, I respect that wish to be cured and be somebody different. However, I am concerned that if there was a real cure, in the form of altering the nerual structure of the brain, that it would be forced upon people that don't want it.



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31 Jul 2005, 4:19 am

Curing AS wouldn't do the world much good, as people with AS exist for a reason, as they're the ones that make the world an interesting place. Many of our inventers and other geniuses were believed to have AS, and the world wouldn't be the same without them. Although ironically, if there was a cure, (and I don't think there ever will be) it would probably be discovered by someone with AS...


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31 Jul 2005, 7:46 am

That's a load of crap. It's just people with Autism were more curious and had inventive abilities far different than most others. Many of the top Scientists of the 21st century didn't have Autism.



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31 Jul 2005, 8:04 am

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Many of the top Scientists of the 21st century didn't have Autism.


This is the 21st century. I would think most of the top scientists of the 21st century would still be the top scientists of the 21st century. The ones that do have autistic traits simply may not want it to be known, while clearly there are some that do make it known, such as Temple Grandin, who is considered a top scientist in her field.

The scientists from the past that are believed to have been autistic are few in numbers compared to the number of actual scientists that existed during their times, but then so are those that could have been considered top scientists. I have several relatives that are scientists and they tend to show some Aspie traits and although a couple of them are considered the top in their field, they are not considered to be amoung the top in the overall collective scheme of scientists worldwide (as far as I know) - there are just WAY TOO MANY 21st century scientists to simply single out who belongs at the top. Top scientists from the past are considered "top" because of the remarkable contributions they made that have had an impact on the lives of the majority of upright walking intelligent and semi-intelligent creatures that inhabit this planet. Many of the contributions of modern science has yet to make a historical impact.


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31 Jul 2005, 8:08 am

The closest thing to a cure for AS is to make the world adjust so it works as well for them as it does for everyone else.


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31 Jul 2005, 8:10 am

The closest thing to a cure for AS is to make the world adjust so it works as well for them as it does for everyone else.

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Many of the top Scientists of the 21st century didn't have Autism.


I was talking about people long before the 21st century. Sure scientists can study things new now, but the concept of doing so could've started with someone with AS. I'm talking about inventors of things like the TV- they think that person has AS, and how different would the world be without it?


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31 Jul 2005, 8:22 am

thatrsdude wrote:
The closest thing to a cure for AS is to make the world adjust so it works as well for them as it does for everyone else.


That's kinda what I was trying to say when I said cure neurotypicalism. I didn't completely mean expose them to mercury (being satirical) and if that didn't work then rewire every NT's brain, but I would like to keep that option available for some of them.


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01 Aug 2005, 8:48 am

I have known a lot of people who thought they had "cured" or "overcome" autism by teaching themselves to socialize.

Someone I know who'd done that when younger and was watching the same people, wrote something like, "I don't know what to say to them. They're going to be in for a rude awakening in a few years."

Social differences are just a manifestation of autism, and in fact more like a manifestation of the clash between autistic patterns of doing things and non-autistic ones.

If they were all there was to autism, then there would be no criteria for autism in areas that are not social. Which isn't the case.


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01 Aug 2005, 10:42 am

anbuend wrote:
I have known a lot of people who thought they had "cured" or "overcome" autism by teaching themselves to socialize.





Addjustment is possible, but social functioning takes CONSTANT effort. I had to learn that when I get tired my "social face" stops working. You know, all your deeloped signals stop, people start misunderstanding you and interaction goes rigfht down the toilet.

So I do ok as long as I don't overstress, or let myself get too tired.


I wouldn'tsay "cured" but overcoming is possible, there can be levels of social functioning. Better than sitting in a heap and watching the world go by.



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01 Aug 2005, 3:21 pm

i didn't mean to offend anyone with what i said, but, my bf would not lose all his personality because he would still be him, just not as 'quirky' as he is now.
I like all the little things about him that are due to his AS but equally i like things that are not directly linked to AS.

When i said a milder form i did indeed mean that he doesn't seem as affected as he could be, again not meaning to offend anyone, he has over the years learnt to 'deal' with some of the things that are problematic to him, such as touch and emotional expression, and neither him or I are 'ashamed' in any way about the fact that he has Aspergers.

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