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02 Sep 2007, 10:39 pm

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NTs hide feelings, are dishonest, and don't understand half the stuff we say. Well... a majority atleast. There a few good ones out there, but i'm starting to get annoyed with people in general.


I'm am very well starting to feel that way myself!! !
I feel your pain!



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03 Sep 2007, 3:30 pm

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It's like talking to a brick wall most of the time! seriously! I am flat out getting my words out as it is No matter who i talk to! they just reply with yep yep yep yep! Showing no interest in what i say! I feel like i'm second best! a loser even!

what should i do?!

unpack all my troubles and frown frown frown???!


I hate to say it, but you'll have a better conversation with a piece of string, than you would with an NT.



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03 Sep 2007, 6:22 pm

bjmax31 wrote:
It's like talking to a brick wall most of the time! seriously! I am flat out getting my words out as it is No matter who i talk to! they just reply with yep yep yep yep! Showing no interest in what i say! I feel like i'm second best! a loser even!

what should i do?!

unpack all my troubles and frown frown frown???!


1) NTs consider "yep yep yep"ing to be "showing interest". It's something easy to mimic without serious effort, at least :)
2) If you're discussing how you feel, yes, scrunching your face up appropriately (into a frown or whatever) improves the effect five-fold with most people. (Many NTs listen more to how you say something than to what you're saying).


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08 Sep 2007, 4:18 pm

I just get p*ssed off with them in general, but not all of them if you get me. I just use it as a general term which I dislike.
Not as if I dislike the lot of them...


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15 Sep 2007, 9:10 am

you do know that the feelings are mutual.
between aspies and nters

nters cant understand aspies and think we are wierd, and just well...take your pick
but then we, as aspies, say and think the exactily the same thing...

anway you can't get around it.

but i do agree that nters are hard to talk to, and it is hard adapting to their world, besides this is a nt world...
and they don't know or want to understand (some times one or the other) the differnces of n. like autisim, downs, and asperger's. and who knows what else.
so in essence we should educated them so they know that we aren't freeks or aliens...so they know that what we are is natural to us, and if they don't like that....so be it. but we can't be mad at them. and they say that we are the "disorder".

personally i like being different, and there is beauty in the different. like how it is celebrated in Addams Family and Heroes.


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15 Sep 2007, 12:59 pm

I for one feel I exaggerated in my post... it's NT's who infuriate me and ruin my mood, but it's also other NT's who make me feel happy and have a good impact on my life thus far.
Because they're so common place... and I don't know where to find fellow aspies...

I would like to meet more aspies.


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16 Sep 2007, 2:51 pm

I don't mind NTs as i get on wid dem quite however i don't make friends wid dem cos dey do take da piss out of u n it has happen 2 me in da past dat is why i try 2 avoid dem n stick 2 ppl wid AS.



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16 Sep 2007, 3:51 pm

I think that the goal of every Aspie is to eventually turn into an NT. I know that's my goal. Hopefully it happens sooner then later for me.

That's just my 2 cents. Hope they're worth something.



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16 Sep 2007, 4:13 pm

I'm actually starting to view NTs as somewhat limited. After reading the following essay, (although intended as somewhat tongue-in-cheek), I found myself agreeing with much of what is written.

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Neurotypicality is a pervasive developmental condition, probably present since birth, in which the affected person sees the world in a very strange manner. It is a puzzle; a enigma that traps those so affected in a lifelong struggle for social status and recognition. Neurotypical individuals almost invariably show a triad of impairments, consisting of inability to think independently of the social group, marked impairment in the ability to think logically or critically, and inability to form special interests (other than in social activity). It is my hope that this article will help us understand the very different world of the neurotypical.

Neurotypical individuals show difficulty in forming an individual identity, or in thinking outside of the bounds of the accepted norms of their social groups. It appears that each group a neurotypical belongs to will have its own set of "official" opinions, and each neurotypical within that group is expected to adopt those beliefs. As strange as it sounds, they generally do so very readily, and are not hesitant at all to help enforce those beliefs and ensure group homogeneity of opinion. There appears to be an innate drive for the neurotypical to fit in with groups in that manner, and their own innate opinions and desires are modified automatically to fit the group ideal. This bizarre lack of independence explains the tendency for neurotypicals to engage in fads of various sorts, or for the existence of certain trends. Neurotypicals will change the way they talk or dress according to these trends, and other neurotypicals will admire and imitate such "trendy" behavior. As such, neurotypicals are easy prey for TV commercials or other means of advertising that seek to portray the purchase or use of various products as socially desirable or "cool."

The need for neurotypical individuals to "jump on" the latest trend is a function of their excessive level of concern of how they are perceived by others. Neurotypicals form their self-image based at least as much on the opinions of their peers as they do on their own opinions. They do not perceive themselves as individuals in the manner that you or I do; they see themselves as individual members of a group, but in practice, the opinions of others weigh heavily upon them, and there is a great drive to obtain the acceptance and admiration of others around them, including complete strangers. There is a built-in tendency for neurotypicals to blend in, to become "one of the herd," so to speak. Most of them never realize how much their opinions are dictated by the group. They want the things that the group deems desirable, and they internalize that desire so fully that it feels to them as if it was an internally-motivated desire.



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16 Sep 2007, 4:43 pm

UncleBeer wrote:

In part:
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Neurotypicality is a pervasive developmental condition, probably present since birth, in which the affected person sees the world in a very strange manner. It is a puzzle; a enigma that traps those so affected in a lifelong struggle for social status and recognition. Neurotypical individuals almost invariably show a triad of impairments, consisting of inability to think independently of the social group, marked impairment in the ability to think logically or critically, and inability to form special interests (other than in social activity). It is my hope that this article will help us understand the very different world of the neurotypical.

Neurotypical individuals show difficulty in forming an individual identity, or in thinking outside of the bounds of the accepted norms of their social groups. It appears that each group a neurotypical belongs to will have its own set of "official" opinions, and each neurotypical within that group is expected to adopt those beliefs. As strange as it sounds, they generally do so very readily, and are not hesitant at all to help enforce those beliefs and ensure group homogeneity of opinion. There appears to be an innate drive for the neurotypical to fit in with groups in that manner, and their own innate opinions and desires are modified automatically to fit the group ideal. This bizarre lack of independence explains the tendency for neurotypicals to engage in fads of various sorts, or for the existence of certain trends. Neurotypicals will change the way they talk or dress according to these trends, and other neurotypicals will admire and imitate such "trendy" behavior. As such, neurotypicals are easy prey for TV commercials or other means of advertising that seek to portray the purchase or use of various products as socially desirable or "cool."

The need for neurotypical individuals to "jump on" the latest trend is a function of their excessive level of concern of how they are perceived by others. Neurotypicals form their self-image based at least as much on the opinions of their peers as they do on their own opinions. They do not perceive themselves as individuals in the manner that you or I do; they see themselves as individual members of a group, but in practice, the opinions of others weigh heavily upon them, and there is a great drive to obtain the acceptance and admiration of others around them, including complete strangers. There is a built-in tendency for neurotypicals to blend in, to become "one of the herd," so to speak. Most of them never realize how much their opinions are dictated by the group. They want the things that the group deems desirable, and they internalize that desire so fully that it feels to them as if it was an internally-motivated desire.


it is very very biased


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17 Sep 2007, 12:30 am

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it is very very biased

Any more so than some of the descriptions of the "deficits and shortcomings" that AS "wreaks" on us?



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17 Sep 2007, 12:00 pm

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I think that the goal of every Aspie is to eventually turn into an NT. I know that's my goal. Hopefully it happens sooner then later for me.

That's just my 2 cents. Hope they're worth something.


Which would be useless, because no Aspie can turn into an NT, it's impossible, that's like a ret*d turning into Einstein, or vice versa if the first example seems somehow offensive, which it shouldn't be. Unless you mean that the goal is actually to become less shy/introverted (They are not the same), which would be complete bull****, I doubt you could ever find a well established group of people that would not be divided in opinion. It isn't possible, it's like trying to build a utopia out of a bunch of sticks and some glue. :nerdy:

But that's just my five nerdy dollars, which are worth a fair bit depending on what country you're in (China doesn't like me at all).


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17 Sep 2007, 12:04 pm

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treeheart wrote:
it is very very biased

Any more so than some of the descriptions of the "deficits and shortcomings" that AS "wreaks" on us?


No, those are considered "symptoms", which is how we're diagnosed as having Aspergers Syndrome, sadly we're not the X-Men.


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17 Sep 2007, 12:30 pm

when i was talking abou the Xmen thing, i was talking about how we are different from normal NTers, we look like they look but we are not them, and we can never be them. and we often (not always) don't fit in because we are different. i find Xmen and Heroes and such "celebrating the differences from the norm" as i say.....and i guess being aspies we are the differnece from the norm....so in a way we are like them....i guess that is why i like Heroes so much. (new season starts on the 24 of September, Monday on NBC!! !! !)


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17 Sep 2007, 12:46 pm

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when i was talking abou the Xmen thing, i was talking about how we are different from normal NTers, we look like they look but we are not them, and we can never be them. and we often (not always) don't fit in because we are different. i find Xmen and Heroes and such "celebrating the differences from the norm" as i say.....and i guess being aspies we are the differnece from the norm....so in a way we are like them....i guess that is why i like Heroes so much. (new season starts on the 24 of September, Monday on NBC!! !! !)


You mean when I was talking about the X-Men. :?

And I mentioned the X-Men because he seems to think that he's better than NTs, just like Magneto begins to think that Mutants are better than normal humans, and both of them are forgetting all the things NTs have done, people like Mozart, and Isaac Newton, ect, sure some people say that they have some Aspie traits, but that's diagnosing AFTER the fact. And you're missing the most important thing, if it wasn't for NTs we wouldn't even know we were Aspies, we wouldn't even exist. Also a lot of people who have contributed to understanding Asperger's Syndrome are NTs, there's tons of people who have contributed to the world positivley that are NTs.


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17 Sep 2007, 2:50 pm

oops.....
well, i guess i was just thinking that in my head......i was meaning to write it too....

:oops:

i spoke out of turn....sorry