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Jmpalm
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19 Nov 2007, 8:21 pm

I too am lonley and lacking friends.



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20 Nov 2007, 4:51 pm

JustSteph wrote:
I think my brain did create a person to be my friend. I can't remember when it started, it could have always been there, i don't know. But I have a kind of imaginary freind. But not really the kind you have as a kid, that you grow out of. it's hard to explain. It's not visual, it doesn't have an appearence. It doesn't have a name. I don't even know if it's a boy or a girl.
I talk to this person all the time. And it always understands. Sometimes it answers. but it's not really hearing voices. it's just, like, comforting. ok, i really don't know how to explain this. Basically, i always feel the presence of a person. You know, when you know someone's in the room even though you can't see or hear them? You can just feel it? I feel that constantly. But it's not threatening, it's comforting.
It's could be completely unrelated, but sometimes words of encouragement and reassurance pop into my head when i'm particularly down. i don't consciencely think it - i'm the most pessemistic person i've ever met! so i really don't know what it is.
I think my brain just created someone who i could talk to and who would understand, but on a deeper level than an imaginary friend, during my self-imposed silence as a kid. And i'm reluctant to let it go. one reason i don't want help or treatment is because i'm afriad, no, terrified, that it would make it go away. i think if i was to lose this person in my head, i would feel as basd as if my best friend had died.
but i think i'm starting to ramble, so i'll shut up


Yes, yes. I didn't use to actually even notice this myself it being so natural, but that's exactly what I do too.



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20 Nov 2007, 5:04 pm

I feel other presences in my mind; in my case they often become aggressive and threaten to overwhelm my own consciousness.


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21 Nov 2007, 6:40 pm

Of course, the brain does this daily in the form of dreams. Every morning when I wake up, I can recall between 10 minutes to an hour of dreams. The people who populate my dreams aren't static, but they're seemingly as real and fully formed as anyone else I meet. I've dreamt of fabricated people I love and feel I've known for years, and miss them when I wake up.

I've speculated about delusions and hallucinations quite a bit, particularly in the realm of schizophrenia. From an information point of view, how do humans come up with novel ideas, and how do they evaluate the utility of those ideas? The brain starts life knowing little about the world. Babies have to learn how to interpret their senses, which are initially an undifferentiated flood of information. Their experience is roughly akin to an LSD trip. Somehow, the brain begins to organize the input, and form associations between various inputs. It develops a preference for interpreting the environment, so that, by the time we're adults, our senses hold less ambiguity and novelty. When we see a basketball, we know it's not a face.

Adult brains are thus very constrained in how they process input, which chokes off novelty. Ambiguous input, such as an ink blot test or a garbled radio station can generate some novelty, as the brain finds multiple potential matches for the input. For the most part, however, our brains are pretty fixed in how they interpret things.

Schizophrenia exists worldwide at about a 1% incidence, which is fairly unusual for a disorder so maladaptive. I wonder if perhaps the mechanisms that underlie it serve the function of allowing the brain to interpret things in a more plastic, childlike way. It generates more novel ideas, though not necessarily good ones. It's creative, but unstructured.

Drugs can also allow individuals to perceive things in new ways. Hallucinogens seem to make the user examine their senses more acutely, and with less predefinition than usual. They take the brain off autopilot. Input isn't automatically routed to the same, established nodes, but instead given evaluation by different regions of the brain, resulting in novel experience.

The general tendancy of the brain is automatic confabulation. When confronted by something unclassified, it comes up with the closest interpretation it can find. We don't notice this happening, and it's usually pretty accurate. It can be remarkably off, though, as case studies of stroke vicitims show, and the person is still unaware of this.

Most of my thoughts on this are based upon the concept that the brain is no different than a computer. Computers cannot create information, only manipulate it according to fixed rules. The brain, being physical, is held to similar constraints. We'll never have a literally original thought, only a speciously original combination of existing thoughts. Fortunately, our environment and sociability allow us access to a horde of raw material to work with.