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07 Nov 2005, 1:02 pm

I say we drive this self-righteous prat back into the abyss where he came from. What do you say, Hecate?? :wink:



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07 Nov 2005, 1:20 pm

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The first two years of high school for me were horrible, lonely, agonized years where I had no direction or any hope for a future. At lunch I'd sit against a wall until it was over. I'd go home and play video games or go on the internet. It was terrible. I was terrible.


That's rather general, the lack of specificity could imply that you made this up as an attempt to make you look like someone who has experienced that same as some here may have. Not accusing you of this or anything, just pointing out a possible fact.

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Then I snapped out of it. Now I have tons of friends and a direction for the course of my life. But first I had to snap out of this victim mentality.


You 'snapped out of it'? How? From your post here, one would think telling us how you 'snapped out of it' would be the primary reason for it. But alas, their are no details, no step-by-step guide...nothing...

I find 'victim mentality' insulting, I'm not a victim nor do I act like one. It doesn't stop others from treating me like a victim though. And I have no control over them.

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The very name of this website implies a sort of "Oh poor me" feeling that is just sickening. Wrong Planet? Oh it's just not fair! Why was I born this way? I'll just have to console myself with the thought that it's completely out of my hands as I sit alone, generally miserable but knowing it's not my fault! Am I right?


You are most certainly not right. Many people, like myself, carry the term "Wrong Planet Syndrome" with pride. There's no "Oh poor me" feeling attached to it in anyway. Why on earth would someone create a support website with the title "Woe is me"?

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What is wrong with you people? Are you gonna let this mental disorder define your entire life? Is it who you are? Are you destined to be a social outcast because of bad genetics, or mercury in your flu shots, or whatever unknown pathology causes these supposedly related pyschological symptoms.


What's wrong with you, one might ask.
Some people choose to be social outcasts. I, myself, find it enjoyable to go against social convention every now and then.
I personally do not consider Aspergers (and related) to be a "Mental Disorder", more like a case of "Mental Diversity"

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Or are you going to put yourself around people, make friends, learn signals, force yourself to make eye contact, and all that happy horses**t? This 'condition' seems like it's giving all you people an excuse to be miserable and wallow in self pity because you were 'born this way'.


Saying everyone was 'born this way' could be erroneous. There are, apparently, some cases of Aspergers developing after birth.
There was a study done recently that found Autistics feel actual fear when making eye contact..So you're suggesting people force themselves to do something that they fear?


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Everyone has some disadvantage, you don't need to obsess over it all the time. Take charge and stop thinking of yourself as some helpless loser who can never change.


I don't think we're the one's obsessing over our disadvantages, which, granted, can be numerous.
I certainly do not view myself as "some helpless loser". And I doubt many here would.

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I came here when I heard of William Fruend posting on the Something Awful forums. Even in my darkest, loneliest days it never occured to me to wallow in self with a bunch of socially awkward geeks just like me in some communal reinforcement circle jerk forum.


The question still remains, why are you here? You may have followed a link here, but given your opinions about this site one would've thought you'd have left pretty soon afterward. But no, you signed up and felt it nessecary to post... Odd

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And may the great garfield not strike my message of hope from these forums like so many shattered puckins.


Great Garfield?
Message of hope!? HA! This is more like a message of "Get off your arse you lazy loser"


GA



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07 Nov 2005, 6:15 pm

I don't go here to be a "victim." If I was going to be a victim, I'd go to a forum for others with PTSD.

*second rimshot of the thread, and a couple embarassed coughs*

Seriously, I just like going here. Simple as that. I have friend, in fact I just had a blippin' BLAST with a whole buncch of them at my school. I just like hanging out ehre and talking about my quirks with people who won't judge me, and maybe even get tips on how to OVERCOME them! ((The quirks, not the people))



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07 Nov 2005, 6:35 pm

Nor do I come here to be a victim. I wouldn't change the way I am at all (well, maybe some better attentive skills). And, plus, I like to talk about Psychology, especially the Autism Spectrum.

Plus, I really enjoy the vast majority of members here. They put out far better conversation than most.


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07 Nov 2005, 6:41 pm

Here here! :D



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07 Nov 2005, 8:55 pm

Wow. I thought that this will be a very educational thread to read. Instead, it's a cliched thread commonly seen on alot of autistic communities, which is based on a single person's experience of autism sprouting the same old self-righteous rhetoric crap from his/her's soapbox that we're making excuses, blah, blah, blah...

Despite it not being very original in content, you're lucky I'm giving this thread of yours a 1 out of 5 rating instead of a 0.



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07 Nov 2005, 9:23 pm

Victims are people that get stones thrown at them in the playground.

Why the hell would anyone here want to be like that? You're the victim here, tool, because you make lame arse threads that victimise you.



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07 Nov 2005, 9:23 pm

Sophist wrote:

Plus, I really enjoy the vast majority of members here. They put out far better conversation than most.

Yeah, me too.


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07 Nov 2005, 9:25 pm

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Plus, I really enjoy the vast majority of members here. They put out


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry just being immature.



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07 Nov 2005, 10:12 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Sophist wrote:

Plus, I really enjoy the vast majority of members here. They put out


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry just being immature.

This site is FUN. :D


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07 Nov 2005, 11:40 pm

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The very name of this website implies a sort of "Oh poor me" feeling that is just sickening. Wrong Planet? Oh it's just not fair! Why was I born this way? I'll just have to console myself with the thought that it's completely out of my hands as I sit alone, generally miserable but knowing it's not my fault! Am I right?

Yeah! :D How did you know?



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12 Nov 2005, 5:39 am

Looks like NT trolling,something similar happened on AFF recently.


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12 Nov 2005, 6:01 am

I'm certain that tool was aware he'd invite some negative responses by posting such a thing, but what i'm interesting in knowing is would you, tool, be willing to change your mind about anything or are you fairly certain that your viewpoint on all the matters you mentioned is pretty solid and accurate and you have no need to rethink any of it?


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12 Nov 2005, 6:29 am

Tool wrote:
The first two years of high school for me were horrible, lonely, agonized years where I had no direction or any hope for a future. At lunch I'd sit against a wall until it was over. I'd go home and play video games or go on the internet. It was terrible. I was terrible.

Then I snapped out of it. Now I have tons of friends and a direction for the course of my life. But first I had to snap out of this victim mentality.


I was severely bullied in what you Americans call Junior High School. I used to blame myself until I discovered this website and found out a lot of Autistics suffered from the same problems I did. I was a very liberating existance.

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The very name of this website implies a sort of "Oh poor me" feeling that is just sickening. Wrong Planet? Oh it's just not fair! Why was I born this way? I'll just have to console myself with the thought that it's completely out of my hands as I sit alone, generally miserable but knowing it's not my fault! Am I right?


Wrong Planet describes me a fair bit of the time, my mind is literally on another planet. Indeed I feel like I am an alien and I came from another planet :)

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What is wrong with you people? Are you gonna let this mental disorder define your entire life? Is it who you are? Are you destined to be a social outcast because of bad genetics, or mercury in your flu shots, or whatever unknown pathology causes these supposedly related pyschological symptoms.


By understanding my condition, I can understand who I am and make peace with myself. Only by making peace with myself I can go forward in life.

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Or are you going to put yourself around people, make friends, learn signals, force yourself to make eye contact, and all that happy horses**t? This 'condition' seems like it's giving all you people an excuse to be miserable and wallow in self pity because you were 'born this way'.


I tried being neurotypical for a long time, before I knew what Neurotypical was and it made me deeply unhappy.

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Everyone has some disadvantage, you don't need to obsess over it all the time. Take charge and stop thinking of yourself as some helpless loser who can never change.


There are many aspects of my personality which disadvantage me and I cannot change lest to be destructive to my mental health. I need to make accomdations to these aspects of my personality.

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I came here when I heard of William Fruend posting on the Something Awful forums. Even in my darkest, loneliest days it never occured to me to wallow in self with a bunch of socially awkward geeks just like me in some communal reinforcement circle jerk forum.


William Freund's life and upbringing was like a society brat in comparsion to me. I had a tough and screwed up childhood, yet I've never thought about going on a killing spree. I have thought about killing myself because my life was pure s**t sometimes, but I would never kill others. William Freund had a lot of other demons other than AS.



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12 Nov 2005, 8:32 am

Oh Lord. :roll:

I knew nothing good could come of this when I saw "wallow in self pity" in the thread's title. Seems like when anyone wants to legitimize their hurting someone else emotionally, the "wallow-in-self-pity" accusation guilt trips the offended party into thinking he's in the wrong while the offender comes off as the good guy.

That's what it seems like this troll here is doing, making blatent, uncalled for insults on people's character, then doing the "Abracadabra! Quit wallowing in self-pity" Jedi mind trick to make it like he's only "trying to help", athough he's the one who needs to get a life if all he can think of doing for fun is pissing off a bunch of strangers on a message board.

Oh, by the way, garden Tool? Go ahead and tell the folks on the breast cancer support site they need to "quit their whining". In fact, visit the depression, schizophrenia, OCD, cerebral palsey, Down's Syndrome and Bi-Polar Disorder websites and tell them the same thing.

Oh? You think that would be an insensitive thing to do? So why do that here, then? Or did you have the impression no one was going to jump on your tail for doing so since we're "just a bunch of geeks"?.........Yep, thought so. :?


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12 Nov 2005, 11:01 am

hmm, I kinda did that myself actually. I have more friends than I ever have had in the past. I took lots of classes on coordination, speech and social skills when I was little. Now people honestly don't believe I'm an aspie, but I can see the little differences in myself. Like I'm comparably more social, I have a possibility of being Hockey Captain next year, and I'm seen as somewhat of an inspiration to my friends. Acting also helps too! It really brings you out of your comfort level and it helps expand it. Plus, when you're hanging out with such extroverts, why not be one too?

I still feel like an aspie, like it's me against the world, and sometimes I'd rather stay home and do nothing than go out. But when an opportunity comes, I take it, even if I really don't want to. I always feel so much better when I do!

I mean, you can stay at home and play video games and whatnot, if that's what makes you happy. It's still a life, you see! As for me, I love to be social, but I have trouble with it. I'm a naturally social person, yet I'm an aspie, so it's like those two forces inside of me are always fighting.

Just do whatever makes you feel good. That's just the way I see it. If you see yourself as a total failure because you're like this, then change it. If you're miserable, then you should have the power to change that. If you're happy the way you are, then I don't see why the hell you're complaining.

Just my take.