Who has worse disorder in this case? NTs or aspie

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AmyRose
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18 Aug 2006, 12:36 am

Xuincherguixe wrote:

When the system is all for blaming the Victim, the Victim in that case has little reason save for self preservation for following the System.

Neurotypicality is not to blame. It's the self destructive and flawed system. The same one that encourages people to act like sociopaths. The people that follow these ideas will probably harm their own psyche's. A victim victimizing that thinks they are king.

Yes, exactly. Good post--I ALWAYS got the blame for bullying, because I'm different.

They said "If you'd stop being so different, you wouldn't get picked on!"

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18 Aug 2006, 5:22 am

ericmc783 wrote:

is this a true story that happened?

yes, very often.

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18 Aug 2006, 8:01 am

One question: Who invented the falwed system?

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18 Aug 2006, 9:10 am

sigholdaccountlost wrote:

One question: Who invented the falwed system?

No one person invented this flawed system, it was created after years and years of changes and based on the ideologies of various people today and in the past. Really, it is one of the less flawed systems historically as it has encouraged great economic growth, relatively good standards of livings for the majority of people, incentives to not violate the rights of most people, a great ability to adapt to changes, and an amount of freedom seldomly found. If this were a past society aspies would probably be just some form of village idiot to be teased and tormented as the people in that village pleased. People have always been cruel and to say that this system is crueler and more self-destructive than any past system seems to forget how bad the past has been in those regards. At least today there is more freedom to pursue and express interest in different things and to attempt to reach your full potential and people today receive more than the richest individuals could ever have in many past societies.

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18 Aug 2006, 11:58 am

In the initial example (the 5 "NTs" vs 1 Aspie), I'd have to say the 5 bullies were defective.

But are they "normal" or representative of "normal"? I don't think so. My experience out in the world is that most people aren't like this; there are other groups besides people on the autistic spectrum who have behavioural problems. Some of the behaviours of some of these groups actually leads them to dominate and manipulate social situations, create hierarchies and so on. They do so by bullying (physically or mentally). They are not "normal", they are sociopaths, people with narcissist/histrionic personality disorders, and so on. Normal people can't deal with them either, but they are better at placating them and falling into line than aspies are ... something about the interaction between this other group and aspies, the other group is drawn to attack aspies. Normals, being more fearful of this group than of aspies, fall into line with it and even justify it, or perhaps even mimic it to get approval, to "blend in".

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18 Aug 2006, 6:46 pm

gnulinuxman wrote:

Xuincherguixe wrote:

Yes, exactly. Good post--I ALWAYS got the blame for bullying, because I'm different.

They said "If you'd stop being so different, you wouldn't get picked on!"

I know what you mean. When I was young, my parents used to say to me, "Sweetpraline, if you stop acting so strange, maybe the other kids wouldn't pick on you." It just feels like my parents never stood up for me or defended me. Everything was always my fault. It was always what I was doing to other people not what other people were doing to me. It was my fault that I was bullied. It was my fault that I was left out of everything that the other kids were participating in. It really felt like I had to always fight my battles alone.

If I was the parent of that Aspie child and I saw 5 other children bullying him like that. I would have came to my child's defense. I would have told them, "Look if you all can't play nicely together then you all go play somewhere else and leave my child alone."

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19 Aug 2006, 1:21 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

sigholdaccountlost wrote:

One question: Who invented the falwed system?

And now, instead of village idiot, it's 'school idiot'.

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27 Aug 2006, 8:24 am

gnulinuxman wrote:

Yes, exactly. Good post--I ALWAYS got the blame for bullying, because I'm different.

They said "If you'd stop being so different, you wouldn't get picked on!"

And we're the ones who are meant to have problems with changing routines!

It seems that NTs are trapped in their own manotinous routine, and if it changes with a person being different, then they make fun of the person who is different.

It's like we all have to be the same, and people make fun of someone if they do things which are not expected of a normal person. That is just stupid and utter bull5hit that we all have to be the same communally. Once a girl in my class had a childish spell of making fun of me for a while (she normally doesn't) and she said "We're all human beings", despite the fact that she knew I had AS.
She was right, but not every human being is the same. If she carries on like that, I'm going to give her a piece of my mind!

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28 Aug 2006, 2:51 pm

deep-techno wrote:

gnulinuxman wrote:

Yes, exactly. Good post--I ALWAYS got the blame for bullying, because I'm different.

They said "If you'd stop being so different, you wouldn't get picked on!"

Not a good idea. If you defend yourself, you usually end up getting in more trouble than the immature insecure idiot. (read:bully.)

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28 Aug 2006, 2:53 pm

sigholdaccountlost wrote:

deep-techno wrote:

gnulinuxman wrote:

Yes, exactly. Good post--I ALWAYS got the blame for bullying, because I'm different.

They said "If you'd stop being so different, you wouldn't get picked on!"

Not a good idea. If you defend yourself, you usually end up getting in more trouble than the immature insecure idiot. (read:bully.)

By that I meant to defend myself verbally. Sorry for being unspecific.

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29 Aug 2006, 5:03 am

deep-techno wrote:

sigholdaccountlost wrote:

deep-techno wrote:

gnulinuxman wrote:

Yes, exactly. Good post--I ALWAYS got the blame for bullying, because I'm different.

They said "If you'd stop being so different, you wouldn't get picked on!"

Not a good idea. If you defend yourself, you usually end up getting in more trouble than the immature insecure idiot. (read:bully.)

By that I meant to defend myself verbally. Sorry for being unspecific.

It doesn't matter how you defend yourself. The outcome is the same.

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29 Aug 2006, 8:11 am

ericmc783 wrote:

F5c_wZ3_414e_X5 wrote:

Imagine it.

There is a playground. And there are several children in a playground. One aspie-child and some NT children.
NT children are playing and chattering.
Aspie child wants to play with them. But he can't stand these loud noises. He covers his ears with his hands, to protect himself from noise.
And NT children notice that. Some of them come close to aspie child and start to make loud noises specially for him.
Aspie child is scared, he doesn't know what to do.
NT children see that he is scared. So they continue to make noises, on purpose. They see that he feels very bad, and they make fun of him. They even don't let him go away. Some of them even tear his hands off and scream to his ear. They enjoy it.

And now a question,

if you didn't know anything about NT and AS, how would you answer

Who has worse disorder/abnormality in this case?

Aspie child, who is sensitive to noise?
or
NT children, who enjoy that they can make somebody feel bad, who are happy when they make other person feel bad?

(sorry for my bad English)

is this a true story that happened?

True story or not.

I live this kind of thing whenever my son and I go out. That is, even if I explain my son looks normal but is differently abled when he displays behaviours like covering his ears etc. Most NT are unkind to him and reject him.

Yet, if I do not take him into social settings he goes into a nagging repetitive "I want to be with people today" 24/7.

For me, either way it is a living hell with "my elementary level child trapped in a 19 year old body" longing to make friends with other teenagers etc

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07 Sep 2006, 9:58 am

gnulinuxman wrote:

Yes, exactly. Good post--I ALWAYS got the blame for bullying, because I'm different.

They said "If you'd stop being so different, you wouldn't get picked on!"

Although not actually condoning bullying outright, my father still says things like, "Well, that's what happens when you're different - other people don't know how to treat you."

Is it really so difficult to just be civil to me? I never ask for any more than that.

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08 Sep 2006, 11:36 pm

Hovis wrote:

gnulinuxman wrote:

Yes, exactly. Good post--I ALWAYS got the blame for bullying, because I'm different.

They said "If you'd stop being so different, you wouldn't get picked on!"

I agree. It's baffling what people will do to other people because they are different and I think it is unacceptable for thinking adults to tell children that they need to be like everyone else instead of doing something about the real problem. Otherwise things will never change.

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11 Oct 2006, 6:01 pm

NT's.

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14 Oct 2006, 12:14 am

Its the way of mankind, yet those that are different, and despised, often end up praised and looked up to, in time.

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