NT Social Rules that are Absolutely Ridiculous
I get annoyed when, just because I'm female, I'm immediately supposed to know everything about girls and women. Some examples might include anything about relationships, make-up, gossip, fashion etc. It bugs me to no end, especially as I most of the time have no clue why your girlfriend is mad and hasn't called you back.
I don't get the thank-you card thing, either, but I've gotten better at writing them thanks to my mom. She used to have to beg me to write them. While I still don't really see the point, at least I'm in the habit now.
Also, it's really annoying when people say one thing, and they really mean another. If you want to say something, say it directly. There's no need to run circles around the issue and get mad when I don't follow. I wish people would be more honest.
It depends on the situation and the people you're with. Also, on the topic. Intellectual topics are generally OK in the right society, as long as they're not too obscure.
For example, if you decide to discuss Medieval literature when you're just hanging with your friends on a Saturday night, they'll probably look at you funny. But if you're talking to your English professor, I'm sure he'd welcome it.
If they don't know you have AS, they might think you're not listening if you don't make eye contact. You can hear them, yes, but looking them in the eye and nodding occasionally means that you're really paying attention.
Again, this depends on the situation and whether you think someone would appreciate the correction. If you're having a casual chat with someone, they probably wouldn't like you to nitpick their grammar, but if you're talking about someone's topic of interest and you think they'd be interested in learning something new about it, correcting them wouldn't be wrong.
While it's natural, it's also very personal. Would you want to hear about someone's pooping experience in detail? lol Some things are just not discussed in public.
And regarding thank-you notes, I think you send them to show the person that you really appreciated what they did for you. If a teacher wrote you recommendation letters, it's an extra effort on his/her part, so writing a note would be an extra effort on yours.
I personally do not view eating as a social activity. I don't talk to anyone at all when I am eatting and even prefer eatting by myself if at all possible. I am mostly afraid of exactly what you guys are talking about. I find it hard to stop myself from doing stuff like talking with my mouth full. I also have a problem where I can't eat food together. So for example if I have a sandwich I will eat it in pieces like eatting the bread first and then the Veggies and then the meat. So I don't like eatting infront of other people.
On the subject of eating, I've had a specific problem involving it since I was a child. Though, I'm not entirely sure if it's AS-specific or something else.
But basically, anytime I ate I NEED to breathe in big gulps while I eat, and the only way to do that is by breathing through my mouth while chewing. Because even though I can kinda breathe through my nose, I don't get a lot of air from it so most of my air comes in through my mouth. So this resulted in me chewing with my mouth open. I never saw any problem with it because I had to do it to breathe because anytime I tried to chew with my mouth closed I found myself mildly suffocating.
So whenever anyone chastised me for it, I was epically confused because from my perspective I was just trying to not starve while also not dieing due to lack of air.
Though, with time, I managed to control the amount my mouth opens when I chew so that I can still breathe but also chew adequately while keeping my mouth sorta-but-not-quite closed. But it still always perplexed me, especially when I'd see other people chewing with their mouth open, yet I was the one being yelled at?
Lettuce is slippery. There's also too many bits to accomplish this neatly. Good dining manners are about neatness.
If they don't know you have AS, they might think you're not listening if you don't make eye contact. You can hear them, yes, but looking them in the eye and nodding occasionally means that you're really paying attention.
NTs look at what they are interested in. NTs look when they listen. It flips NTs out if you won't look at them. They think something's wrong with them or you don't care. Glance up once in a while. That should appease.
I really struggle with this one, I take a lot of pride in timekeeping, not letting people down etc...but most of my friends/acquaintances are hopeless. So many people do the whole 'we must meet up soon', 'lets have lunch' type comment when you bump into them but if you try and get them to commit they brush it off, change their mind and cancel or just don't turn up.
If people don't want to do stuff why say it in the first place
Same with texts, I know a few people who send out texts of the 'how are you, long time no see, must catch up' variety so I respond carefully, try to initiate concrete plans then... nothing! they just disappear, no reply or anything and I'm left thinking what was that about, I mean THEY initiated the dialogue in the first place.
Is this some weird NT thing whereby if someone texts you saying 'how are you, lets meet up' you are supposed to reply 'fine, yes lets' but then never actually doing anything about it. If so, what's the point. This drives me crazy, I just don't get it.
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I love how my NT bosses were making a big deal because the CEO and others that are important in the company were going to visit today. Every little nook and cranny had to be cleaned out, all the i's dotted and the t's crossed. We even have to dress up today for him.
I don't totally understand this behavior. I have sat down at meetings with our state's governor and US Congressman in blue jeans. Heck, I even got dirty while mucking a flood house with our Congressman. For the most part, these people did not care how clean that it was, or how people were dressed.
Totally! In this country we never used to tip unless the food and service were really good, but we've become so Americanised it's not funny. I have heard in America that waitstaff get paid a pittance and need tips to srvive, but that isn't the case here. It's just an excuse to extract more money from you.
@Opal: Yeah, here in America, if your primary job is waiting tables the majority of your income comes from your tips since the minimum wage for waitstaff is generally sh***y. So not leaving a tip for them, no matter how horrible the service, is like an as*hole move on your part.
What DOESN'T make sense, though, is the amount left. My NT dad goes by a percentage system based on the quality of service (horrendous gets 10% of the bill, decent service 15%, awesome service 20%). Depending on how much we eat at any given restaurant, this sometimes means that the horrible waiters/waitresses get anywhere between $1 to $2 in tips.
IMHO, instead of percentages you should just guesstimate what a good amount should be. $5 would be the highest a tip should go (unless it was the most OMG THAT WAS FREAKIN AWESOME service you have ever received in your life, then go ahead and be one of those people who leaves $20 tips), with decent service receiving anywhere between $1 and $4. Horrible service, imo, should receive between $.25 and $.75. Because maybe if they say they were only getting change for their service, maybe then they'd seriously re-evaluate how they do their job and make efforts to be better so that they'd be more likely to receive actual green.
That's always been my logic on it. But my dad told me that that's not what you're supposed to do. Why? As far as I see it, terrible service should not be awarded with my hard-earned cash.
What DOESN'T make sense, though, is the amount left. My NT dad goes by a percentage system based on the quality of service (horrendous gets 10% of the bill, decent service 15%, awesome service 20%). Depending on how much we eat at any given restaurant, this sometimes means that the horrible waiters/waitresses get anywhere between $1 to $2 in tips.
IMHO, instead of percentages you should just guesstimate what a good amount should be. $5 would be the highest a tip should go (unless it was the most OMG THAT WAS FREAKIN AWESOME service you have ever received in your life, then go ahead and be one of those people who leaves $20 tips), with decent service receiving anywhere between $1 and $4. Horrible service, imo, should receive between $.25 and $.75. Because maybe if they say they were only getting change for their service, maybe then they'd seriously re-evaluate how they do their job and make efforts to be better so that they'd be more likely to receive actual green.
That's always been my logic on it. But my dad told me that that's not what you're supposed to do. Why? As far as I see it, terrible service should not be awarded with my hard-earned cash.
The percentage system is just to give you a general idea of how much to pay and can help you at least give a minimum amount. Use it as a guideline, not as the gospel truth.
I will say, though, that it depends on the type of restaurant and the quality of service. Leaving a $5 tip at a full service fancy restaurant is pretty insulting, but to the take-out guy it could be a huge bonus (and received gratefully). Better quality restaurants generally expect better tips, so you should plan accordingly. Also, some restaurants will automatically charge a gratuity if they feel it is deserved.
Yes, and worse, apparently they get taxed on the tips even if they don't receive any that night. The solution is so simple: pay your staff enough to live on by taking away the obligatory tip and raising your food prices by 15% instead. The overall financial effect on the customer and business is the same but the wait staff don't have to bend over backwards to be paid enough to live on. Customers can still add tips if they want to, for exceptional service, but it won't be a moral obligation. I don't understand why they haven't already implemented this.
Yes, and worse, apparently they get taxed on the tips even if they don't receive any that night. The solution is so simple: pay your staff enough to live on by taking away the obligatory tip and raising your food prices by 15% instead. The overall financial effect on the customer and business is the same but the wait staff don't have to bend over backwards to be paid enough to live on. Customers can still add tips if they want to, for exceptional service, but it won't be a moral obligation. I don't understand why they haven't already implemented this.
Because they want their waitresses and waiters to have an incentive to work hard. Having a tip-based system is supposed to promote good customer service. That's the theory anyhow.
You're probably right and there are places that already have a no-tip sort of system implemented. So why don't we all change over to a no-tip system? Yes, it'd be easier. But, like anything else, it's a well-entrenched social custom. It would take time and money to transition. Another argument can be applied to why the US still uses the pound system and not the metric system.
Yes, and worse, apparently they get taxed on the tips even if they don't receive any that night. The solution is so simple: pay your staff enough to live on by taking away the obligatory tip and raising your food prices by 15% instead. The overall financial effect on the customer and business is the same but the wait staff don't have to bend over backwards to be paid enough to live on. Customers can still add tips if they want to, for exceptional service, but it won't be a moral obligation. I don't understand why they haven't already implemented this.
I think it's more that the employer is stingy but doesn't want the customers to complain that the food is too expensive. He gets the idea of making it the customer's responsibility to pay the wait staff, so if the wait staff gets a lousy tip, he can blame it on their behavior and not the customer being obnoxious or simply ignorant of how tipping works. In fact, sometimes I think wait staff are miserable because they don't get tipped or paid enough; I believe my family had one waiter who was kind of rude, but when we gave her a generous tip, she lightened up. Maybe it wasn't related, but it does make me wonder...
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