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21 Jun 2011, 8:08 am

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Look, I'm not making myself really popular by saying all these things, but I can't hold it in anymore. I suspect a lot of the folks who got a diagnosis in childhood received a double-edged gift- they received support for AS and were lucky enough to know why they were different, but were never challenged to grow interpersonally and behaviorally, 'cuz hey, AS is a legitimate condition, so why force yourself to do what you're not designed to? This isn't ALWAYS the case, but I think that's kinda what's going on.


Oh man, this is what I've been thinking for ages but didn't want to say out loud because some people are bound to take offence. Telling people what their limitations are likely to be is IMO just going to create a self-fulfilling prophecy for a lot of those people. Not ALL of them, but a lot of them. It's like people who read the medication leaflet to find out the possible side-effects, and then go on to psychosomatically develop those exact side-effects. If they hadn't known about them, they wouldn't have got them.

And I really think there's a very fine line between typical AS behaviour and transient teenage brattiness. I know a few parents who excuse their AS teen's awful behaviour just by saying 'Oh, s/he has Aspergers', when they should actually be telling the kid 'Your AS is NOT an excuse for plain bad manners.' Not challenging people to overcome their problems makes things easier for them in the short term but does them no favours in the long run.

I know for a fact if I'd been handed a diagnosis in childhood that had explained all my strange behaviours, I'd never have been pushed half as hard as I was to achieve half of the things that I have done. If I'd been able to use AS as an excuse at school I know I would have - I'm extremely lazy and avoidant by nature :oops: - and I'd probably never have bothered to work for anything. Likewise the social interaction: If I'd had an excuse I'd have used it but instead I was pushed to improve my social skills and pushed to improve my friendliness by parents who just thought I was shy. I used to resent them not 'understanding' my difficulties but now that I've managed to just about overcome the worst of most of them, I realise that NOT being diagnosed was probably the best thing that could have happened to me.



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21 Jun 2011, 11:41 am

Tao wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Look, I'm not making myself really popular by saying all these things, but I can't hold it in anymore. I suspect a lot of the folks who got a diagnosis in childhood received a double-edged gift- they received support for AS and were lucky enough to know why they were different, but were never challenged to grow interpersonally and behaviorally, 'cuz hey, AS is a legitimate condition, so why force yourself to do what you're not designed to? This isn't ALWAYS the case, but I think that's kinda what's going on.


Oh man, this is what I've been thinking for ages but didn't want to say out loud because some people are bound to take offence. Telling people what their limitations are likely to be is IMO just going to create a self-fulfilling prophecy for a lot of those people. Not ALL of them, but a lot of them. It's like people who read the medication leaflet to find out the possible side-effects, and then go on to psychosomatically develop those exact side-effects. If they hadn't known about them, they wouldn't have got them.

And I really think there's a very fine line between typical AS behaviour and transient teenage brattiness. I know a few parents who excuse their AS teen's awful behaviour just by saying 'Oh, s/he has Aspergers', when they should actually be telling the kid 'Your AS is NOT an excuse for plain bad manners.' Not challenging people to overcome their problems makes things easier for them in the short term but does them no favours in the long run.

I know for a fact if I'd been handed a diagnosis in childhood that had explained all my strange behaviours, I'd never have been pushed half as hard as I was to achieve half of the things that I have done. If I'd been able to use AS as an excuse at school I know I would have - I'm extremely lazy and avoidant by nature :oops: - and I'd probably never have bothered to work for anything. Likewise the social interaction: If I'd had an excuse I'd have used it but instead I was pushed to improve my social skills and pushed to improve my friendliness by parents who just thought I was shy. I used to resent them not 'understanding' my difficulties but now that I've managed to just about overcome the worst of most of them, I realise that NOT being diagnosed was probably the best thing that could have happened to me.

By this same logic people whos kids are psychopaths should not be pushed to NOT kill people or fight their psychopathness. why can it not be the other way around? Someone with Aspergers stop and say s "I know this is rude, I know I am doing it because I have Aspergers" and use good manners? Yes there are times when we DONT KNOW we are doing something thats rude. I was home schooled from 3rd-8th grade. I KNEW It was part of my Aspergers so I PUSHED my self back into high school.


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21 Jun 2011, 10:37 pm

CaptainTrips222 wrote:
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Simonono wrote:
I sure am a pain to talk to, because you can't get a word out of me. And no, there is not a life outside of games, since they are better than real life.


I wish some of the jobs that characters in video games have I could do in real life. I've often fantasized about being a real-life Contra - complete with bandanna, jeans, huge ripped muscles and Spread Gun. Jumping from helicopter missile to helicopter missile would be awesome!


Unless somebody put in the code for you, you'd have but three chances.


Nah, don't need the code. I can do it with one life, no continues. But everything in the game takes years of memorization.



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22 Jun 2011, 8:31 am

mesona wrote:
Tao wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Look, I'm not making myself really popular by saying all these things, but I can't hold it in anymore. I suspect a lot of the folks who got a diagnosis in childhood received a double-edged gift- they received support for AS and were lucky enough to know why they were different, but were never challenged to grow interpersonally and behaviorally, 'cuz hey, AS is a legitimate condition, so why force yourself to do what you're not designed to? This isn't ALWAYS the case, but I think that's kinda what's going on.


Oh man, this is what I've been thinking for ages but didn't want to say out loud because some people are bound to take offence. Telling people what their limitations are likely to be is IMO just going to create a self-fulfilling prophecy for a lot of those people. Not ALL of them, but a lot of them. It's like people who read the medication leaflet to find out the possible side-effects, and then go on to psychosomatically develop those exact side-effects. If they hadn't known about them, they wouldn't have got them.

And I really think there's a very fine line between typical AS behaviour and transient teenage brattiness. I know a few parents who excuse their AS teen's awful behaviour just by saying 'Oh, s/he has Aspergers', when they should actually be telling the kid 'Your AS is NOT an excuse for plain bad manners.' Not challenging people to overcome their problems makes things easier for them in the short term but does them no favours in the long run.

I know for a fact if I'd been handed a diagnosis in childhood that had explained all my strange behaviours, I'd never have been pushed half as hard as I was to achieve half of the things that I have done. If I'd been able to use AS as an excuse at school I know I would have - I'm extremely lazy and avoidant by nature :oops: - and I'd probably never have bothered to work for anything. Likewise the social interaction: If I'd had an excuse I'd have used it but instead I was pushed to improve my social skills and pushed to improve my friendliness by parents who just thought I was shy. I used to resent them not 'understanding' my difficulties but now that I've managed to just about overcome the worst of most of them, I realise that NOT being diagnosed was probably the best thing that could have happened to me.

By this same logic people whos kids are psychopaths should not be pushed to NOT kill people or fight their psychopathness. why can it not be the other way around? Someone with Aspergers stop and say s "I know this is rude, I know I am doing it because I have Aspergers" and use good manners? Yes there are times when we DONT KNOW we are doing something thats rude. I was home schooled from 3rd-8th grade. I KNEW It was part of my Aspergers so I PUSHED my self back into high school.


Except, a psychopath can't be rehabilitated.



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22 Jun 2011, 9:11 pm

Coffee sounds good. Usually, I get it at the market. $1.83, after tax is better than $3.15. I'm not a gamer. It doesn't have an application. I am interested in efficiencies, time, perception, statistical probabilities and systems, improving how we live, decisions we make, etc. I have Aspergers, and I don't know what I am missing in life. I know it isn't computer games, or a high score.

I'm participating in a difficult class, requiring me to study a lot. I would enjoy conversing with you, at some point. I haven't a specific date and time. Soon, I will. Perhaps, your schedule would allow an hour. I will meet you in Glendale at the coffee shop you frequent.

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All the guys want to discuss is their yu-gi-oh collection or their score on kingdom hearts. If it's not something like that, they're not interested. Is it any wonder so many are unemployed? Oh what, do you plan on working in a video game discussion factory?

If I wanted to do that, why not just hang out in a gaming store all day. It's little things like this that get me doubting if I even have it. Yes, I had an irritating day. No, I don't expect you to care. Yes, I'm an ###hole, I just hide it. I go to these functions for people on the spectrum and the only guy I enjoy talking to is this fellow who likes sports trivia and little else. I don't even like sports, but he's so much more interesting and worldly, and at least it doesn't go back to PSP or anime. This is why I so badly would like to meet somebody on here in person. I'm not asking for a hoity toity cultured genius, but there IS a world outside of games. If games hadn't been invented, maybe they'd be a little more.... I don't know. I don't care, I need a smoke and a drink of water. Seriously, why does being on the spectrum also mean being horrendously immature?



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22 Jun 2011, 9:52 pm

I am who I am. I persist to improve, understand, imagine, and adapt. Because I am apparently different and interpret the world around through Aspergian colored lenses, this does not inhibit my desire to understand reality.

Those with behavioral issues may not be able to function as well as you would expect. Maybe the Asperger label is for the benefit of those giving it. It does me no good to have the label. I cannot imagine spending life, in its collections of finite moments, pretending to be something I am not. I am who I am. I have been diagnosed with Aspergers. I can recite the definition of it, but knowing it doesn't change me. I have taken Dale Carnegie courses, and 10+ years of therapy, in an attempt to socially improve-- not because I have been diagnosed as having Aspergers, but because I am weak in this area. Has the experience helped (rhetorical)? It has taught me that honesty is good, proper manners are better.

I no longer tell the neighbor her pie tastes like cat shi t, thinking honesty is good. I tell her I have an allergy and cannot eat it. I do have an allergy, but it has nothing to do with the pie. I don't get yelled at, and that helps me go back to doing what I like to do. I didn't want the pie, the interruption, and her fricking questions; waste of time.

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CaptainTrips222 wrote:
mesona wrote:
Tao wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:
Look, I'm not making myself really popular by saying all these things, but I can't hold it in anymore. I suspect a lot of the folks who got a diagnosis in childhood received a double-edged gift- they received support for AS and were lucky enough to know why they were different, but were never challenged to grow interpersonally and behaviorally, 'cuz hey, AS is a legitimate condition, so why force yourself to do what you're not designed to? This isn't ALWAYS the case, but I think that's kinda what's going on.


Oh man, this is what I've been thinking for ages but didn't want to say out loud because some people are bound to take offence. Telling people what their limitations are likely to be is IMO just going to create a self-fulfilling prophecy for a lot of those people. Not ALL of them, but a lot of them. It's like people who read the medication leaflet to find out the possible side-effects, and then go on to psychosomatically develop those exact side-effects. If they hadn't known about them, they wouldn't have got them.

And I really think there's a very fine line between typical AS behaviour and transient teenage brattiness. I know a few parents who excuse their AS teen's awful behaviour just by saying 'Oh, s/he has Aspergers', when they should actually be telling the kid 'Your AS is NOT an excuse for plain bad manners.' Not challenging people to overcome their problems makes things easier for them in the short term but does them no favours in the long run.

I know for a fact if I'd been handed a diagnosis in childhood that had explained all my strange behaviours, I'd never have been pushed half as hard as I was to achieve half of the things that I have done. If I'd been able to use AS as an excuse at school I know I would have - I'm extremely lazy and avoidant by nature :oops: - and I'd probably never have bothered to work for anything. Likewise the social interaction: If I'd had an excuse I'd have used it but instead I was pushed to improve my social skills and pushed to improve my friendliness by parents who just thought I was shy. I used to resent them not 'understanding' my difficulties but now that I've managed to just about overcome the worst of most of them, I realise that NOT being diagnosed was probably the best thing that could have happened to me.

By this same logic people whos kids are psychopaths should not be pushed to NOT kill people or fight their psychopathness. why can it not be the other way around? Someone with Aspergers stop and say s "I know this is rude, I know I am doing it because I have Aspergers" and use good manners? Yes there are times when we DONT KNOW we are doing something thats rude. I was home schooled from 3rd-8th grade. I KNEW It was part of my Aspergers so I PUSHED my self back into high school.


Except, a psychopath can't be rehabilitated.



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24 Jun 2011, 1:58 pm

I think Aspies can be a pain to talk to, but for a completely different reason: they talk in funny ways.

My ex-boyfriend was very precise and long-winded and was nearly impossible to understand unless you had a degree in math. He asked a question in class once and the whole class laughed because his question was thirty seconds long. When we'd have dinner with people they'd ask him to speak "in English." My other ex was kind of similar but the more he talked to people the more "normal" his speech became. Now his sentence structure isn't that different from a normal person's.

Sometimes I wonder if they would have an easier time understanding each other than other people have understanding them.