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24 Nov 2011, 3:07 pm

You can't have a duty to yourself, it's logically incoherent. How can you have an obligation to someone who can dissolve it at will and literally is you?

This is just like how people use the word 'rights'. People don't have 'rights', 'rights' are the name for the results of a contract; not something people deserve or whatever.

When people say "I have a duty to myself to..." what they really mean is "I feel like..." or "I've been duped into thinking I should.."



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24 Nov 2011, 3:11 pm

StonedMoonie wrote:
You can't have a duty to yourself, it's logically incoherent. How can you have an obligation to someone who can dissolve it at will and literally is you?

This is just like how people use the word 'rights'. People don't have 'rights', 'rights' are the name for the results of a contract; not something people deserve or whatever.

When people say "I have a duty to myself to..." what they really mean is "I feel like..." or "I've been duped into thinking I should.."




I'm not getting it.........I feel like I benifit from treating others how I want to be treated, that is what I was trying to express.


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24 Nov 2011, 3:14 pm

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You can't have a duty to yourself, it's logically incoherent. How can you have an obligation to someone who can dissolve it at will and literally is you?

This is just like how people use the word 'rights'. People don't have 'rights', 'rights' are the name for the results of a contract; not something people deserve or whatever.

When people say "I have a duty to myself to..." what they really mean is "I feel like..." or "I've been duped into thinking I should.."




I'm not getting it.........I feel like I benifit from treating others how I want to be treated, that is what I was trying to express.

Sure, most people find life easier in the long run if you're not a complete douche.



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24 Nov 2011, 3:17 pm

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You can't have a duty to yourself, it's logically incoherent. How can you have an obligation to someone who can dissolve it at will and literally is you?

This is just like how people use the word 'rights'. People don't have 'rights', 'rights' are the name for the results of a contract; not something people deserve or whatever.

When people say "I have a duty to myself to..." what they really mean is "I feel like..." or "I've been duped into thinking I should.."




I'm not getting it.........I feel like I benifit from treating others how I want to be treated, that is what I was trying to express.

Sure, most people find life easier in the long run if you're not a complete douche.


Don't know about that.......I always got picked on at school, never really had friends, I have some now though. If you're not a douche then its almost garanteed that people will be a douchebag to you, take advantage of you ect. It would probably be easier if I just had no emotions at all, was good a taking advangage of people but that is not the kind of person I am.


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24 Nov 2011, 5:30 pm

Uh, no, because you've confused being 'nice' with behaving in a socially acceptable way.

Being nice is okay, sometimes - like being at a formal party full of strangers. Otherwise it's generally idiotic. THOSE are the people who get taken advantage of. DO NOT BE NICE. If someone is not doing anything for you, screw them. Do not bend over for people, do not give them cigarettes or money or help them in any way that inconveniences you unless you have a personal stake in their well-being.

Most people who complain about being taken advantage of in this way are, in fact, just being pushovers. Being a decently tolerable person does not involve helping anyone or putting up with s**t. It means not breaking into cars or yelling at customers for no reason. Learn the difference and you will profit from it.

There was a time in this country when people didn't believe that being a belligerant as*hole or a sad-sack yellow-belly were the only alternatives. Assertive, self-confident individuals were the ideal (if not the norm). Now our nanny-psychologizing state has reduced everyone to effeminate simpletons and anti-social cretins.



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25 Nov 2011, 12:25 am

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Uh, no, because you've confused being 'nice' with behaving in a socially acceptable way.

Being nice is okay, sometimes - like being at a formal party full of strangers. Otherwise it's generally idiotic. THOSE are the people who get taken advantage of. DO NOT BE NICE. If someone is not doing anything for you, screw them. Do not bend over for people, do not give them cigarettes or money or help them in any way that inconveniences you unless you have a personal stake in their well-being.

Most people who complain about being taken advantage of in this way are, in fact, just being pushovers. Being a decently tolerable person does not involve helping anyone or putting up with sh**. It means not breaking into cars or yelling at customers for no reason. Learn the difference and you will profit from it.

There was a time in this country when people didn't believe that being a belligerant as*hole or a sad-sack yellow-belly were the only alternatives. Assertive, self-confident individuals were the ideal (if not the norm). Now our nanny-psychologizing state has reduced everyone to effeminate simpletons and anti-social cretins.


Well I am not very good at being mean so I guess I'm stuck being nice.....I enjoy giving friends and random homeless people ciggerettes, my friends usually return the favor in some way or another which is nice.......and I might end up homeless so I might as well be chill with the homeless people.

I think people just need to quit treating each other like crap...it disgusts me. And if its such a nanny state, why don't I have access to any healthcare treatment?


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25 Nov 2011, 1:14 am

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Well I am not very good at being mean so I guess I'm stuck being nice.....I enjoy giving friends and random homeless people ciggerettes, my friends usually return the favor in some way or another which is nice.......and I might end up homeless so I might as well be chill with the homeless people.

I think people just need to quit treating each other like crap...it disgusts me. And if its such a nanny state, why don't I have access to any healthcare treatment?


Basically what he meant is that some people take advantage of nice people. You can't give to and trust everyone. They have to prove themselves as good people in some way first.


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25 Nov 2011, 4:23 am

SilverTung wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:

Well I am not very good at being mean so I guess I'm stuck being nice.....I enjoy giving friends and random homeless people ciggerettes, my friends usually return the favor in some way or another which is nice.......and I might end up homeless so I might as well be chill with the homeless people.

I think people just need to quit treating each other like crap...it disgusts me. And if its such a nanny state, why don't I have access to any healthcare treatment?


Basically what he meant is that some people take advantage of nice people. You can't give to and trust everyone. They have to prove themselves as good people in some way first.



I don't know, sometimes I like doing nice things for bad people too, but only when they least expect it :twisted:

I secretly hope it makes them feel guilty, or at least confuses the hell out of them! My way of getting even, I guess.



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25 Nov 2011, 7:15 am

Most crimes are perpetrated by Non-Aspergers. Aspergers are rarely perpetrators of crimes and are more than likely victims of crime. IMHO more people converting to Aspergers would reduce crime rates and create a more peaceful society.

Shy, quiet people with Aspergers are regarded as effeminate simpletons/antisocial cretins who do not fit into society.



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25 Nov 2011, 11:44 am

SilverTung wrote:
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Well I am not very good at being mean so I guess I'm stuck being nice.....I enjoy giving friends and random homeless people ciggerettes, my friends usually return the favor in some way or another which is nice.......and I might end up homeless so I might as well be chill with the homeless people.

I think people just need to quit treating each other like crap...it disgusts me. And if its such a nanny state, why don't I have access to any healthcare treatment?


Basically what he meant is that some people take advantage of nice people. You can't give to and trust everyone. They have to prove themselves as good people in some way first.


Well no crap if I had a dollar for every time someone took advantage of me or tried to.....I would probably be able to pay back my college loans right now. I don't trust everyone, I've learned not to I have to trust my feeling if I get a bad vibe from someone I avoid them if I get a good vibe then I don't, usually I'm never wrong whats hurt me in the past is ignoring bad vibes in an attempt not to be rude. But I am never going to be the type of person who always puts myself first......its just not who I am, I care too much about things for some reason.

I guess I don't see why I am being criticized for the type of person I am......not to mention having AS symptoms can sometimes make it hard to verbally express things, be assertive and be aware of everyone elses motives and such so some of this is not stuff I can magically change.


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25 Nov 2011, 11:47 am

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Most crimes are perpetrated by Non-Aspergers. Aspergers are rarely perpetrators of crimes and are more than likely victims of crime. IMHO more people converting to Aspergers would reduce crime rates and create a more peaceful society.

Shy, quiet people with Aspergers are regarded as effeminate simpletons/antisocial cretins who do not fit into society.



I don't know about that I have commited more than one non-violent crime.......but I am not shy, quiet, anti-social or a simpleton so that leaves a quiet, weird person, with AS who does not fit into society. Either way its not like people with AS are incapable of commiting crimes.


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25 Nov 2011, 11:49 am

I disagree with this entire premise. All of the things mentioned are basic human needs. I understand that our society does not think that everyone deserves to have these needs met, and that if you are not capable of achieving them you may as well be miserable forever or dead. But not only is that cruel, but why did we ever even form societies if we were just going to leave each other out in the cold? That's the thing I don't get. But anyway, I think most people do care about other people on some level, and don't believe that it's okay for some people to have terrible lives. It's just that no one has found a way to ensure that everyone gets all of these things yet.



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25 Nov 2011, 12:01 pm

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I disagree with this entire premise. All of the things mentioned are basic human needs. I understand that our society does not think that everyone deserves to have these needs met, and that if you are not capable of achieving them you may as well be miserable forever or dead. But not only is that cruel, but why did we ever even form societies if we were just going to leave each other out in the cold? That's the thing I don't get. But anyway, I think most people do care about other people on some level, and don't believe that it's okay for some people to have terrible lives. It's just that no one has found a way to ensure that everyone gets all of these things yet.



I totally agree with this......and I guess i have to do some more research but I have heard and read from a few sources that we do actually have the technology and resources for everyone to have a decent quality of life, things just aren't being put to use that way but they could be.


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25 Nov 2011, 12:53 pm

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And if its such a nanny state, why don't I have access to any healthcare treatment?

Because they're already bankrupt, totally incompetent and most of the money they take in for 'programs' go to bureaucrat desk jockies. Not that it would be any good if it existed, this is what Obamacare, Iraq and the Post Office have in common: they're run by the government. There is a reason why they provide nothing but annoyance and obstruction.



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25 Nov 2011, 12:58 pm

i have been rather brutal lately to some of my customers who have unpaid accounts that are weeks old.

now the world owes me only $27,616.24

i am getting there,

when the world owes me nothing, i will retire from it.



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25 Nov 2011, 1:04 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I disagree with this entire premise. All of the things mentioned are basic human needs. I understand that our society does not think that everyone deserves to have these needs met, and that if you are not capable of achieving them you may as well be miserable forever or dead. But not only is that cruel, but why did we ever even form societies if we were just going to leave each other out in the cold? That's the thing I don't get. But anyway, I think most people do care about other people on some level, and don't believe that it's okay for some people to have terrible lives. It's just that no one has found a way to ensure that everyone gets all of these things yet.



I totally agree with this......and I guess i have to do some more research but I have heard and read from a few sources that we do actually have the technology and resources for everyone to have a decent quality of life, things just aren't being put to use that way but they could be.

Yes, they say it's a shortage of justice, not resources.

The sad thing is, it is the mainstream opinion that people should work society to get what they want and ignore what they are putting back into it. For some reason, the education system conditions us to think that way. And you can't argue with people who have internalized those beliefs- they will always be that way, even if you literally proved to them that everyone could be happy/comfortable at the same time and competition is harmful more than helpful. (I'm not saying I know how to prove that, but I do know that a lot of people would not be satisfied even if I did.)