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01 Oct 2006, 3:08 am

There are an awful lot of replies and I can't focus right now, so I'm skipping them. Besides, there seems to be a lot of pouncing going on. I wanted merely to suggest that if this kidding behavior occurs a lot to one person the reason may be regional. Maybe in that area, everybody says that. I can't think why they would, as it's awfully frustrating for me when someone says something wrong with a straight face as a joke, because of course I believe it. Flusters me something awful. But maybe it's the thing right now, maybe everyone is quoting something off of a TV show, who knows?



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01 Oct 2006, 5:21 am

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I tried to explain my position but I don't think I did a very good job. However, on another topic, I managed to come across much better.


Anyways thanks to the marvels of copy and paste, I don't have to write it all out and again.

So without further ado:
I don't particulary care what you are.

****, I'm not really that bothered about what planet you're from, let alone country or your chromosicial/neurologicial/genetic make-up.

However, I am bothered if you choose to use it as an excuse for what is obviously inapporpiate behaviour, regardless of who's doing what with whom.

By this, I mean the legal stuff.

Now, I'm all for people getting the same rights because/or in spite of them being a minority.

What I object to is using the minority status as a 'Free Out of Jail' card and saying that anyone is ________ist purely because it suits you and paying no regard to whether that has anything to do with the situation at hand or not.

So while I agree with:
All races deserve respect. No race is above another.

There are also two other urban dictionary definitions which I feel highlight my point.

If you're a white man, this is what you are. It doesn't even matter if your wife is black and you have an adopted child from India, or how many black friends you have, somehow you're going to end up being a racist according to how the media portrays the white man as "racist whities".

All of this is funny because the white man is the one that is stereotyped as being racist, which is hypocrisy at its best. It's racist to assume that white men are racists.

If you don't get offended by racial insults, then you're apparently racist too, but an actual racist would get offended by it. When you hear a certain word too much (I'm sure we've all heard "cracka" hundreds of times thanks to standup comedy) then you become desensitized to it.

Well, that and the words white people get called sound stupid or non-offending. "cracker" came from cracking whips. Indiana Jones cracked whips too, and he was a badass. "honkey" sounds like some kind of gigantic sandwich, and "white boy" makes you seem like the lone white kid in breakdance movies that stands out amongst the other races and white kids. Most people only really think of rednecks when they think of "white trash" so they don't get offended by it if they're not rednecks.

Statistics guy: It was found out that the majority of blacks in America listen to hip hop---
Overzealous guy: WTF YOU RACIST I HAVE A BLACK FRIEND THAT DOESN'T LISTEN TO HIP HOP
Statistics guy: But I said the majority, meaning not all of th---
Overzealous guy: YEAH WHATEVER HITLER

Please note that I know the following only happens in ceratin cases. I'm just showing you what I object to. When ___ist/___phobic is used in the context of 'racist'

racist
565 up, 327 down


A term usually used by minorities to get out of any situation.

"Sir, I may have to give you a ticket for raping and brutally murdering that nun."
"You f***' cracka ass racist! It's just because I'm black ain't it? You say that f***' word like you know what you be talkin' bout! You is ignorant!


Yeah that's exactly how life is. Black people get away with crimes all the time because we use the race card. The website I pulled up from the Human Rights Watch paints a very different picture. If you want to look like you actually know what you're talking about, do some research and quit gathering data from BET.


I'm not gathering data from any websites, anyone can put anything they like there. And in my experience, yes. Go take a term in my school. Then come back and tell me whatever.



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01 Oct 2006, 5:26 am

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Why did I use the term 'blacks' rather than black people? Well, simple. I was talking about bullies, IMHO, bullies don't deserve anything that points them out as humans. In my experience, it is mainly black people that tend to do that.

I meant it was maily black people/blacks that tend to use race as a way of getting off undisciplined. Of course, this is just my expierence.


You sir, I hate to say it, are a racist, whether you think you are or not. Skin color has nothing to do with any of that.

My experience, as a skinny whitebread suburban kid, is that if you approach any sort of person with no preconcieved notions their own personality comes through. If you approach them as a black person or white person, that shows up too. I honestly don't notice the color of the person I am talking to half the time, I bet you can't say that, can you?

It seems to me that the community in the US that is identified with Black people is a much more co-operative, friendly and community minded one than the upper middle class suburban one I came from. Generally well to do folks got there by stepping on people and stabbing them in the back. I have been in the corporate world, was raised in the country club world, and that is by and large what I saw.

In this world, You have lots of "friends" and you scratch their back, and they scratch yours. But the moment a whiff of scandal taints your life, they will evaporate and tell everyone they have always disliked you. Never happened to me but I have seen it happen.

After years of slavery, then separate but equal, then people with opinionsl like yours keeping them back with overt and hidden racism, black people in the United States have to depend on one another a lot more than you or I do. Without each other, they would have been in a hopeless situation, but with each other they could get by. For example, one slave song was directions on how to find the underground railroad, for more: http://www2.lhric.org/pocantico/tubman/gourd.htm This song was sung by all so everyone could memorize the way to freedom. There was no advantage to any single person, all were stuck and singing the song gave them a taste of freedom and a satisfaction that the people watching them had no idea what they were saying. Poverty and opression can bond people better than most other glues, sadly.

Obviously criminals and hooligans of any colour are to be avoided, sadly that is the brush most white culture seems to tar black culture with, throwing them in jail at an alarming rate completely out of whack with any possible reality. We have the highest percentage of our poplulation in jail of any nation in the world, and that population is about 70% black. They aren't that criminal, we are just that racist. No way in heck 10% of the population does 70% of the crime, just not possible. The racism inherent in the system gives the white kid probation and the black kid hard time for the same damn thing, for no good reason other than they think the white kid is more likely to turn around and go straight.

In the end though, people are people. I tend to maybe go overboard to give people of color the benefit of the doubt as they have had a hard road in the USA and it hasn't improved in my neck of the woods all that much, as far as I can tell. It is lovely when I go abroad as no other country in the world that I have been to has the level of disregard for a race that we do. I suppose somalia, iraq etc are worse, but do we really want to argue over who is at the bottom of the barrel? Don't we want to be fighting for the top spot?

I live in the swankiest subdivision in a largely black & impoverished area, picture families walking dogs up and down the sidewalks in front of well kept stately 2000+ square foot homes on 1/3 acre, all made from stone & brick, with lots of stained glass & solid wood and you will get the picture. Not dangerous by a remote stretch of the imagination. Golf course on one side, catholic girls school on the other, and a college campus on the third & fourth side.

Even with this, because of my zip code and suroundings, I have called tree services about 10 times apiece and they won't come out to look at my ^%&*&^ tree. When I lived in a largely white area and called the same services, they were out within a day, and I am closer to them here AND my neighborhood is 10x nicer and safer. I am going to start patronizing local businesses, not because of their color, but because they don't treat me like crap because of who my neighbors are, as they are my neighbors.

Best thing about my neighborhood is being 60% caucasian and 40% black, I never have to worry about living next to a racist. People that would treat a human being with a family and friends and hopes and dreams different because of a SKIN PIGMENTATION DENSITY DIFFERENCE, are not anyone I want to live anywhere near. Thankfully they would never live here, so I am safe from their ilk for some time.

take care,

Jester


You obviously don't have a clue about my life. If you did, you would NEVER say the words 'you have' 'lots of friends' in the same setence without a negative in there somewhere.



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01 Oct 2006, 6:55 pm

Sorce wrote:
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Sorce, are you a moderator?


Hell no! Too lazy, and I don't like to coddle people. :lol:


i am beginning to like you.

hey, can you answer a question for me?

does WP have moderators? and are they advertized like they used to be?


No clue. There have been too many changes for me to even bother keeping up with them. Oh by the way, why the hell are we talking about moderators? Get back on topic grey pubes. :P


sorry Spol, i won't change the subject again.

BTW- i luv you.

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30 Apr 2007, 10:51 am

I totally understand your confusion with this one. My brother´s an Aspie and struggles with this element quite a lot. I´m pretty much NT but sometimes I don´t know if someone is joking or being serious in situations like this..
If I´m not sure, I tend to just smile jokily, put my head to the side, and say ´really?´in a tone that´s somewhere between joke and real. Then it doesn´t matter either way.
In England especially, we use banter, irony and sarcasm A LOT. Basically just say the opposite of what is the truth. If it´s really hot, say ´It´s a bit chilly today, isn´t it?´and`people will laugh. If someone cooks you dinner and asks if you like it, say, ´nah, it´s horrible´then laugh and say ´only joking, it´s absolutely delicious!´ That second of uncertainly apparently makes you more interesting because people give you attention.
In professional situations it can be more awkward and unclear if it´s a joke or not, like in the situation you mentioned. I think people will usually only joke about something that is ´supposedly´ obvious. For example, if you went into a Post Office and said, can I send this letter and they said NO, it would probably be a joke, because that´s what Post Offices are there for.
Hope this helps a bit. Try it out! Good luck! x



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30 Apr 2007, 12:45 pm

Right, let me try once more. I think there's a difference between black people and blacks.

Black people are people who pay attention to their responsisibilities and rights as people.
Blacks...are those who don't try to fulfill their responsibilites.



White people are people who pay attention to their responsisibilities and rights as people.
Whites...are those who don't try to fulfill their responsibilites.


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30 Apr 2007, 12:55 pm

Sounds like the old Chris Rock rant... only he used the "N" word.

To the OP: "Just messin with you" = playful teasing. They were just being playful smart-asses.



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01 May 2007, 3:38 am

sigholdaccountlost wrote:
Right, let me try once more. I think there's a difference between black people and blacks.
Black people are people who pay attention to their responsisibilities and rights as people.
Blacks...are those who don't try to fulfill their responsibilites.


Hard to see what positives you'll find using this sort of thinking. I don't agree with you - but let us say that you're right. How does feelings this way about Blacks help you in any way? Are other racial groups really giving you the treatment you feel that you deserve?

You have the ability to make up your own mind about how you choose to view this world. But at the end of the day SO WHAT? You're an Aspie who will have a hell of a time trying to adapt to this world socially - Black, White, Green, Purple, or otherwise.

And even more advice (in my best Dr. Phil voice)

Try to avoid becoming a slave to your own experiences. This world is much bigger than you. Especially considering that experiences tend to be strictly individual, unusual, or infrequent.

But maybe I'm the one who's wrong. It wouldn't be the 1st time. Maybe you're blessed with the observational ability of Tocqueville.

I'm African-American by the way. Do you consider me Black or a Black Person?




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I'm just messing with you.



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01 May 2007, 9:28 am

blacktext wrote:
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Right, let me try once more. I think there's a difference between black people and blacks.
Black people are people who pay attention to their responsisibilities and rights as people.
Blacks...are those who don't try to fulfill their responsibilites.


Hard to see what positives you'll find using this sort of thinking. I don't agree with you - but let us say that you're right. How does feelings this way about Blacks help you in any way? Are other racial groups really giving you the treatment you feel that you deserve?

You have the ability to make up your own mind about how you choose to view this world. But at the end of the day SO WHAT? You're an Aspie who will have a hell of a time trying to adapt to this world socially - Black, White, Green, Purple, or otherwise.

And even more advice (in my best Dr. Phil voice)

Try to avoid becoming a slave to your own experiences. This world is much bigger than you. Especially considering that experiences tend to be strictly individual, unusual, or infrequent.

But maybe I'm the one who's wrong. It wouldn't be the 1st time. Maybe you're blessed with the observational ability of Tocqueville.

I'm African-American by the way. Do you consider me Black or a Black Person?




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I'm just messing with you.


Cheers for the advice. Black Person.


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01 May 2007, 2:50 pm

I've lived in south-east England for 7 years and I heard the terms "blacks" and "whites" used fairly regularly in a non derogatory manner.

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Clearly I approached this topic from the standpoint of my probable AS, not any racist attitudes. I cannot believe you jumped to this conclusion first...


It could be considered mildly offensive* that you refer to black people as 'blacks', rather than 'black people'. It comes across as vaguely dehumanising.

*at least in southern England, if not elsewhere.



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01 May 2007, 5:36 pm

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Cheers for the advice. Black Person.


I feel honored :)



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02 May 2007, 9:46 am

I don't remember what races have used this kind of humor with me, but I have heard that before...the "only messing with you" thing. I'll usually just say "oh", or try to fake a polite laugh or something.

Ironically I kid people that I know well, but don't seem to pick up on it always when others do. People at work do this to me a lot and I take them seriously until they explain they were just kidding (women mostly, so women must do it too).



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02 May 2007, 2:19 pm

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I think what you experienced was possibly an NT attempt to be friendly. I have had NTs do this with me, and when I didn't get it they told me that because I was looking so serious, they were trying to get me to smile. Maybe if we aren't smiling it makes them uncomfortable? I often have trouble getting the smile part down.


I figured it makes them uncomfortable if we aren't smiling, because they think they have done something wrong if you don't smile. While talking to friendly people, it is usually a good idea to smile at them to show them they haven't done anything to offend you. Not smiling confuses them, because if you don't smile at them, they conclude you don't like them. It's not only aspies who can get social messages wrong.



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02 May 2007, 2:25 pm

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Ironically I kid people that I know well, but don't seem to pick up on it always when others do. People at work do this to me a lot and I take them seriously until they explain they were just kidding (women mostly, so women must do it too).


Not sure about that - women are kidding sometimes, but not as often as men. And sometimes they say they were just kidding, even when they in fact weren't. It's difficult to tell who is lying.



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02 May 2007, 2:38 pm

First of all, why are so many people always so quick to jump to the conclusion that everything is "racist"? It's ridiculous, really. Get over yourselves. The original poster was confused about someone's behaviour and he wondered if it could be a cultural thing.

Second, what the guys were doing to the original poster (OP) was mean. They were being jerks and trying to pass it off as friendly teasing. They did it more than once and they let quite a lot of time go by while he stood there feeling uncomfortable and they savoured it. However, because they passed it off as friendly teasing (how expert of them; perhaps they're well-practised at bullying), there's not much the OP can do about it but make sure that they know he doesn't appreciate the jokes.

If the OP makes his point and asks them to stop with that crap, and they continue to harass him, then he would be right to report their behaviour to an authority.



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02 May 2007, 3:13 pm

I'm a skinny, blonde, white aspie chick who spent 17 years in a customer service job with almost 300 blacks (I'm using "blacks" cos it's the quickest to type), and this experience did more for me than any other in my life. It knocked most of the aspie anxiety out of me, that's for sure. Yeah, it took us all a while to get used to each other, but once they got where I was coming from, they appreciated my honesty and directness. They'd always tell me how they liked me because they always knew where they stood with me, that they knew I wasn't out to jerk them around. And they never once jerked ME around, unlike others there. But yeah, they did "mess with me," just like they messed with each other constantly. They taught me to have a sense of humor and not take myself too seriously, but most importantly they taught me not to take any s#&t from anyone, something that I see other people (aspies & NTS) doing constantly. Not me.

So I'm honored to have the chance to say: THANK YOU, BLACK FOLKS!! !! ! :D :D :D

I recommend that the OP consider getting a part-time job working with those guys at the gym.