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04 Dec 2013, 12:52 pm

I still don't see why people are trying to make this out to be about religion either, by going on about who's the most holy or crusades.
Religion has nothing to do with my views on the matter.

Wikipedia wrote:
The Crusades were religious conflicts during the High Middle Ages through the end of the Late Middle Ages, conducted under the sanction of the Latin Catholic Church. Pope Urban II proclaimed the first crusade in 1095 with the stated goal of restoring Christian access to the holy places in and near Jerusalem. There followed a further six major Crusades against Muslim territories in the east and numerous minor ones as part of an intermittent 200-year struggle for control of the Holy Land that ended in failure. After the fall of Acre, the last Christian stronghold in the Holy Land, in 1291, Catholic Europe mounted no further coherent response in the east. Many historians and medieval contemporaries, such as Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, give equal precedence to comparable, Papal-blessed military campaigns against pagans, heretics, and people under the ban of excommunication, undertaken for a variety of religious, economic, and political reasons, such as the Albigensian Crusade, the Aragonese Crusade, the Reconquista, and the Northern Crusades.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

If people are very religious themselves, then I think it would be advisable for them to remember that not everybody is as fixated with religion as they are.
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04 Dec 2013, 1:40 pm

Incidentally, not that thelibrarian bothered to ask before launching into an attack against me yet again.... but I took a look at the first link of the generic Google search which he posted, and it actually didn't say what he seemingly thought that it did.

The article remarked on the positive effects of pure nicotine, before going on to say that none of the mainstream forms of imbibing nicotine is really pure - and that it is in no way advisable to use any of these methods (snuff, chewing tobacco, fags or patches) for health reasons because they cause far worse assorted negative health effects, especially in people who have pre-existing conditions.
The conclusion was that because of this, doctors were attempting to isolate the part of nicotine which is beneficial to create drugs which use extract of nicotine to create positive effects.
This is what is meant by "pure nicotine which is beneficial" ... definitely not snuff etc.

It appears that in fact this is what many of the Google links are saying.
Perhaps Thelibrarian should actually read resources and then post them, rather than just doing a half-baked Google search and then expecting me to do all of the work for him ; at the same time as belittling and insulting me when he assumes that I haven't.

Since thelibrarian likes lazy Google searches so much (and feels inclined to mock people who don't pre-emptively do them) I assume that he is already fully aware of this -
https://www.google.com/search?q=snuff+mortality&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t

Even just the first link would have informed him that using snuff was shown to increase the human mortality rate.
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04 Dec 2013, 5:09 pm

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You can claim weird political notions about me all you wish in order to feel justified being objectionable (I have found this common among some Americans), however I affiliate with no specific political party. Certainly, none from your own specific country (why on earth would I ?).


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this should be post-scripted whenever addressing certain people..wish I'd said it



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04 Dec 2013, 7:40 pm

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I started smoking when I was around 16, and gave up when I was 29. I used to use smoking and to a lesser extent drinking as a social crutch. I gave up drinking around the same time I stopped smoking. The thing is I really enjoyed smoking - yes, I know, it is a disgusting habbit. However I found nicotine really helped with concentration and more importantly it reduced anxiety.

Since then I have come up with other comping mechanisms, which work, but to be fair are quite tiring. I have been tempted recently by e-ciggerettes - the idea of nicotine and simple water vapour without any of the other cancergens and fiflth, no nasty smell, not exposing other people to passive smoke ect are quite appealing.

I was just wondering about other peoples views on the subject - I know the percentage of smokers among people with ASD's is significanttly higher then the general population - do many of you smoke? Do you find it beneficial in terms of stress reduction and the general negative aspie symptoms? Have you tried e-cigarretes (aka Vaping)?


I'm quoting my original opening post, simply because this thread seems to have gone way off track. I was simply asking if people had experienced positive / negative effects from smoking in terms of aspie symptoms, and specifically thoughts on electronic cigarettes.

I'm sure we are all very aware of the health implications of smoking cigarettes, not to mention the increasingly common negative social attitudes towards smoking.

Equally, I'm sure we can all accept that Nicotine is a stimulant which can have an effect on States of anxiety and stress. We are all intelligent, hopefully open-minded people, who can see both sides of the issue and I'm sure we can take a rational look at the compromise this technology has potentially given us.



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04 Dec 2013, 9:07 pm

According to research E-cigarettes would be likely to have a considerably lowered likelihood of causing anxiety disorders (such as agrophobia) or overall increasing anxiety and stress levels, when compared to smoking standard fags,
They are also less likely to set off panic attacks, it seems. This is because smoking E-cigarettes causes a lower level of blood nicotine absorption compared to smoking fags.
The level of increased anxiety and stress varies from person to person, although some people do cope with managing it to a normal (or close to normal) level despite smoking E-cigarettes through careful planning of other lifestyle choices.
Of course, E-fags are are still nicotine based... so each puff will shoot you up with adrenaline (the 'fight or flight' hormone), leading to problematic blood glucose consequences.
So if a person doesn't want to increase stress or anxiety levels, then it would be sensible to avoid using either E-cigarettes or standard fags.



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04 Dec 2013, 9:50 pm

I smoked for a long time, then stopped for a couple of years. A few months ago, I bought a pack in a stressed-out moment of foolishness. The experience, however, served to confirm what I had already learned. Smoking actually caused me stress. The relief from stress that I experienced when having a cigarette was merely the relief from the symptoms of addiction. Since stopping again last Friday, I have felt much less stress in general than I did when I was smoking a pack a day. The psychological neediness that comes along with the addiction is clearly worse than the physical symptoms, as I felt better as soon as I decided to stop again. In accordance with the instructions in The Easy Way to Stop Smoking, I resolved to feel good about stopping as soon as I finished my last cigarette, and I did just that.

There really is nothing to give up.



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05 Dec 2013, 2:22 am

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Oh how I hope we cross paths one day...


So we can share a smoke and some shooting tips?


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05 Dec 2013, 2:29 am

Did I mention the annoying zealot repelling qualities of tobacco? Nice side bonus.

As to the OP's question about AS specific reactions, I haven't noticed any, but like any activity, smoking can be a useful icebreaker and introduction to different social circles. When I was taking welding classes I used to have a 1 hour break between two labs, so I'd bring a cigar to smoke, and ended up chatting with quite a few people who I'd likely have never met before who were also smoking between classes, led to some good conversations.


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08 Dec 2013, 6:36 pm

Dox47 wrote:
As to the OP's question about AS specific reactions, I haven't noticed any, but like any activity, smoking can be a useful icebreaker and introduction to different social circles. When I was taking welding classes I used to have a 1 hour break between two labs, so I'd bring a cigar to smoke, and ended up chatting with quite a few people who I'd likely have never met before who were also smoking between classes, led to some good conversations.


I'll second this.

I don't smoke, and never have - but at almost all the places I've worked I would always hang out with the smokers out front and participate in whatever conversations were going on. In some places I got more accomplished outside with the smokers than I did working at my desk.


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08 Dec 2013, 8:13 pm

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
As to the OP's question about AS specific reactions, I haven't noticed any, but like any activity, smoking can be a useful icebreaker and introduction to different social circles. When I was taking welding classes I used to have a 1 hour break between two labs, so I'd bring a cigar to smoke, and ended up chatting with quite a few people who I'd likely have never met before who were also smoking between classes, led to some good conversations.


I'll second this.

I don't smoke, and never have - but at almost all the places I've worked I would always hang out with the smokers out front and participate in whatever conversations were going on. In some places I got more accomplished outside with the smokers than I did working at my desk.


This would be my reason to smoke as well. At any given time in a social meeting a group of people will go outside to smoke. Those conversations tend to be very interesting. Or if I want to talk with a friend in private I can tell him to come with me outside for a cigarette and we have our talk. One of my group of friends smokes rather regularly too, and the only way I can stand it is when I take one myself. I mainly smoke socially now, I also used to do it when I was stressed out but I've found meditation to work better. Sometimes I think on not smoking but I have no rush; it would be a completely unnecessary constraint, and with an average of two cigarettes per month I don't think there is a slightest change I am addicted or in the path to addiction.

ALso, which are the damages that smoking causes to society?


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09 Dec 2013, 7:13 pm

Shatbat wrote:
sliqua-jcooter wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
As to the OP's question about AS specific reactions, I haven't noticed any, but like any activity, smoking can be a useful icebreaker and introduction to different social circles. When I was taking welding classes I used to have a 1 hour break between two labs, so I'd bring a cigar to smoke, and ended up chatting with quite a few people who I'd likely have never met before who were also smoking between classes, led to some good conversations.


I'll second this.

I don't smoke, and never have - but at almost all the places I've worked I would always hang out with the smokers out front and participate in whatever conversations were going on. In some places I got more accomplished outside with the smokers than I did working at my desk.


This would be my reason to smoke as well. At any given time in a social meeting a group of people will go outside to smoke. Those conversations tend to be very interesting. Or if I want to talk with a friend in private I can tell him to come with me outside for a cigarette and we have our talk. One of my group of friends smokes rather regularly too, and the only way I can stand it is when I take one myself. I mainly smoke socially now, I also used to do it when I was stressed out but I've found meditation to work better. Sometimes I think on not smoking but I have no rush; it would be a completely unnecessary constraint, and with an average of two cigarettes per month I don't think there is a slightest change I am addicted or in the path to addiction.

ALso, which are the damages that smoking causes to society?


I feel very relieved that I am no longer obliged to participate in those interesting conversations.

What happens is that a lot of co-dependency gets created, you freeze your cojones off/get wet from rain/snow and end up hearing a bunch of stuff you would actually be better off not knowing about.

It's all empty stuff. That hooks you into seeking more of the emptiness.

No moar!



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10 Dec 2013, 12:48 am

Never have, and never will... My father was unfortunate for being born in a decade when smoking was considered "a status symbol."

He deeply regrets it, and hopes that I don't stray down that similar path...



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10 Dec 2013, 3:07 am

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I feel very relieved that I am no longer obliged to participate in those interesting conversations.

What happens is that a lot of co-dependency gets created, you freeze your cojones off/get wet from rain/snow and end up hearing a bunch of stuff you would actually be better off not knowing about.

It's all empty stuff. That hooks you into seeking more of the emptiness.

No moar!


:lol:

Another small reason to smoke. Sometimes a lady near me has a lot of cold. Then I give her my coat. It would usually make me feel cold, but cigarettes stop that from happening, they make me feel warm. So freezing my cojones or freezing because of rain or snow (and I've travelled so I know what snow feels like) is not an issue with a cigarette in hand, And I am a sucker for most kinds of knowledge, and cigarette conversations tend to be very interesting, for me at least.

I wonder how empty is that. But in the end, some emptiness from time to time doesn't hurt, I guess


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11 Dec 2013, 3:38 pm

I'm a smoker too - passive since 5 years old until I moved out (about 19), then - after two months living on my own, I started smoking. I agree with most advantages and disadvantages of smoking you wrote, but for me there is only one strong reason I probably will never quit it: the ritual of smoking.

I like the fact, that smoking one cigarette requires repeating a lot of tasks in specific order and pace, also it has strict timeline - when smoking always same brand, it takes always the same amount of time, with error margin of several seconds. I "mastered" my smoking ritual to the point of starting preparations while leaving my office building (smoking is only allowed outside), timed so I always do the same thing at the same point on my way out. When opening front doors I always have lighter in my left hand, pack hidden back in my left front pocket and the cigarette held between two fingers of my left hand. Whenever something disrupts this ritual, it makes me really annoyed - even if it's something as simple and common as someone going in the building.

I also tried e-cigarette, but I feel it gives too much freedom: vaping is allowed almost everywhere, variable length of usage with no strict 3:45 minutes timespan, also, too fluent measurement of how much I can use before recharge or refill. I know removing limitations was one of main goal when inventing and advertising e-cigarettes, but it's also what makes them inferior for me.

leafplant wrote:
I feel very relieved that I am no longer obliged to participate in those interesting conversations.


After talking to (and, even more, listening to) a lot of smokers in places they tend to gather, I found there are two main groups of people: addicts who don't talk and want to finish as soon as they can, then return to their activities (addicts, because - with this behavior - I can see no other reason to smoke), and people who want to make their smoke break as nice as possible and have no problem talking to strangers. Also, there is a lot more of social acceptance for talking to stranger in cigarette spot (it can be smoking room, place outside building, dedicated room in pub and so on). I saw (and have been warned a lot of times) that speaking to someone you see first time when not having specific interest to that person is considered rude and can even result in hostile reaction (at least here, in Poland). This social rule is virtually nonexistent when it comes to smokers, but I still have no idea, why. It's still nice and makes life easier, and I met a lot of very interesting people this way.



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12 Dec 2013, 9:50 am

I think you people simply need to get into the habbit of the afternoon "coffee/tea and cookies" break. It´s quiet the same, so people from the office gathering themselves without any big cause and having some social chat and conversation...but without the smoking stuff. ^^

Actually, I ended smoking because of planning to conceive children and dont miss it in any way. In the opposite to potsmoking (which I did not do regularly, but for festivals or concerts or lake-birthday-parties and so on), so the first joint after ending to breastfeed, will be highly celebrated by me. ^^



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12 Dec 2013, 1:33 pm

It has its appeal, but I'd say cookies and coffee are more expensive and not as easy to come by. Plus smokers will always smoke.

Yesterday I successfully tried my hand at networking during a smoke break in an event. Cigarettes *really* are useful for such things, there is a certain camaraderie and relaxedness among smokers (and the actual, chemical effects of it help for that) that draws non-smokers too just to hang out.


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