Traits of antisocial personality disorder
Do you also show any traits typical for antisocial personality disorder?
1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.
The antisocial behavior must not occur exclusively during an episode of schizophrenia or a manic episode.
Whilst I don't like diagnostic criteria at face value, the above is easy enough to deduce: I don't meet any of them.
I'd say it's partly true - I'm good at lying when I see it can give me benefits because I tend to perceive people like some kind of mechanisms reacting to the same stimuli they react to in approximately the same way - and when I was younger I had even much more problems with understanding they could be something more than only mechanisms like living computers that don't have their own opinions and minds on their own, after all. But I try not to lie because I have paranoia others will get access to my thoughts - "I know I have lied to them so they know this as well".
True, executive disfunction, problems with planning ahead belong to the most serious problems of mine.
I am and always was irritable and nervous, normally I don't (and can't) show my feelings but when somebody irritates me I can become aggressive with ease (I never show it either, though). I never took part in a fight and I wouldn't like to (anyway I wouldn't be a winner, believe me; I'm frail and weak). I spin cruel dreams very often but I wouldn't like to bring them into effect even if I had such a possibility.
I do my best to get rid of it or at least hide it so everybody thinks me to be very responsible but in truth responsibility for something more than myself isn't a part of my nature.
I don't commit such misdeeds but remorse is something I feel rarely.
I'm not diagnosed with anything so I don't know myself what I have - if it's some personality disorder or something from ASD. I know I have many traits of schizoid personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder (but less than those schizoid ones) but I have also a whole lot of traits indicating an autism spectrum disorder: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt39373.html
Hmm... was my thread moved to this section? I was sure I put it in General Autism Discussion
I found here http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp1388218 ... t=#1388218 two guys, Demonyte and Pinwheel one of whom says he's a diagnosed sociopath and the other one has conduct disorder while their profiles say they both have AS so maybe it's possible to have AS and antisocial personality disorder in the same time?
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"Mental health professionals" deserve less respect than astrologers because astrologers do less damage.
I'd never believe anything they said unless they said they were going to do whatever's necessary to make sure sadistic feminists can continue to hurt people for their amusement.
That said, people with antisocial personality disorder are also extremely charming and charismatic. People love them.
It seems to me that whatever wiring defect causes aspiehood, antisocial personality disorder is the extreme in the opposite direction.
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Um, elaborate? I'm a moderate feminist, and sadism has never been my forte. Some people in mental health professions have been good to me, some bad.
You aren't getting your opinions from that horrible book, One Nation Under Therapy: How the Culture of Helping is Eroding Self-Reliance, are you? Because that book was a pile of polemical bull.
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Sure, it's possible.
I meet 5 (6) of 7. Genetic predisposition.
Read this, Irulan:
Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder also tend to be consistently and extremely irresponsible (Criterion A6). Irresponsible work behavior may be indicated by significant periods of unemployment despite available job opportunities, or by abandonment of several jobs without a realistic plan for getting another job. There may also be a pattern of repeated absences from work that are not explained by illness either in themselves or in their family. Financial irresponsibility is indicated by acts such as defaulting on debts, failing to provide child support, or failing to support other dependents on a regular basis. Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder show little remorse for the consequences of their acts (Criterion A7). They may be indifferent to, or provide a superficial rationalization for, having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from someone (e.g., "life's unfair," "losers deserve to lose," or "he had it coming anyway"). These individuals may blame the victims for being foolish, helpless, or deserving their fate; they may minimize the harmful consequences of their actions; or they may simply indicate complete indifference. They generally fail to compensate or make amends for their behavior. They may believe that everyone is out to "help number one" and that one should stop at nothing to avoid being pushed around.
Conduct Disorder:
1. Aggression to people and animals
1. often bullies, threatens, or intimidates others
2. often initiates physical fights
3. has used a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to others (e.g., a bat, brick, broken bottle, knife, gun)
4. has been physically cruel to people
5. has been physically cruel to animals
6. has stolen while confronting a victim (e.g., mugging, purse snatching, extortion, armed robbery)
7. has forced someone into sexual activity
2. Destruction of property
1. has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage
2. has deliberately destroyed others' property (other than by fire setting)
3. Deceitfulness or theft
1. often lies to obtain goods or favors or to avoid obligations (i.e., "cons" others)
2. has stolen items of nontrivial value without confronting a victim (e.g., shoplifting, but without breaking and entering; forgery)
4. Serious violations of rules
1. often stays out at night despite parental prohibitions, beginning before age 13 years
2. has run away from home overnight at least twice while living in parental or parental surrogate home (or once without returning for a lengthy period)
3. is often truant from school, beginning before age 13 years
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It's possible to have both. Reading on sociopathy has been an interest of mine, and I've read a study where one of the subjects had AS and was a sociopath. Due to this, he didn't dispaly the typical charm that most sociopaths do. Autism and sociopathy and/or antisocial personality disorder have nothing to do with each other, and the statistics say 1 in 25 people are, so I'm sure it's possible.
I don't meet any of the criteria for either a conduct disorder or antisocial personality disorder.
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I have been diagnosed with both AS and antisocial personality disorder, so yes it is possible. But it really isn't a terribly bad thing, and I think a lot of media has made APD look like we're all sociopath murders and killers. Not the case at all.
Dissocial personality disorder's traits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissocial_ ... y_disorder seem to be accurate in describing my personality. It's everything about some tendencies, proclivities not about actual criminal behaviours - the only delinquency I ever commited was false testimony several years ago (I wasn't caught lying then) and I don't have any desire to commit crimes even if I had such an occasion.
Irulan,
Watch the first episode of Dexter. In the opening scene, he describes himself and how he feels about the world and his feelings. This is the most accurate description of APD I have ever heard. I would describe it exactly the same way. If you can relate to what he's saying, chances are you are a socio