NT community (sorry kinda ranting here)

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Ai_Ling
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07 Apr 2011, 2:23 pm

So I came to a realization today, for a many NT's, community is what matters as long as they fit in to some degree. Who the specific people are and their specific relationships with those people is not what actually matters. I've made a post pertaining to this before. NT interactions is heavily revolved around group dynamic. Friendships drift in and out. What matters is that you have friends and people that reasonably accept you. I guess I never understood that cause I have huge problems with connecting with a large group of people. I need to connect with those individuals if you expect me to bond with the group. A lot of times in cliques Im just on the fringes cause I can only connect with a few here and there. I cannot, never been able to make connections(real or superficial) to every1 in a group. Ive always embraced the friendships I had because they werent that frequent but Im getting to the point where if me as an individual is not being embraced by my so called "friends" in the way Im embracing them...I shouldnt give a f**k. I should just embrace them as people to socialize and have fun with, humans are social beings, be human with...u know what I mean? I should basically stop sweating over whether my friends like me or not cause who cares?? If they dont...I shouldnt take it personally. What there still nice...I still have a good time socializing with them...that s**t dont matter.



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07 Apr 2011, 3:20 pm

NTs use 'group' to center themselves.

They define themselves by the group of people who are 'like' them. It is core to the NT psyche. To an NT, they are, who they associate with. This creates social status by which they relate to others.

NTs treat each other differently based on thier perception of social status. It aides in communication with others in their 'class' but tends to create bigotry when dealing with others outside their 'class'.

When actually in their group, NTs participate in a 'group think', participatory 'emotithon' (my own word to describe NT sharing of emotion for fun). One person starts a topic and shares. The torch is then passed on to the next and so on. Each person who participates and 'meshes' with the group enhances and builds the potential emotion that is then reflected by all members of the group. This creates a synergy that elevates the entire group's ability to emote and in my opinion enhances their ability to commit atrocity.

This synergy is why NTs love socialization. It makes them feel like part of something larger and they will often participate even when the energy is negative (think mob carrying torches intent on destruction and revenge). It makes them feel safe.

Since I cannot carry the topic or share emotion in a group setting, I may only observe. This places me on the fringe at best. NTs in a group will always pressure the friend who invited me to leave me out, because since I cannot contribute, I create a drag on the synergy (party downer).

I can enjoy friends, but never in a group. The group kills my ability to participate and then pressures my friend to abandon me for the group. This is why I stay away from groups of emotionally charged NTs. Like as not, eventually, they pick up torches and reason goes out the window.



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07 Apr 2011, 3:54 pm

Cowards strongly prefer the safety of groups over the vulnerability of individuals. Cowards don't want to be seen as weak.



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08 Apr 2011, 5:44 pm

CranialRectosis wrote:
NTs use 'group' to center themselves.
They define themselves by the group of people who are 'like' them. It is core to the NT psyche. To an NT, they are, who they associate with. This creates social status by which they relate to others.


Thats true, my friend who went abroad brought this up in how you often use your group of friends to define yourself and when thats all gone and your by yourself its hard to know where you fit. And she said a bunch of other stuff about some other crap and the girls sitting there were just acting like a bunch of agreeable robots. Im the only person that spoke up and apparently that was "out of line".

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When actually in their group, NTs participate in a 'group think', participatory 'emotithon' (my own word to describe NT sharing of emotion for fun). One person starts a topic and shares. The torch is then passed on to the next and so on. Each person who participates and 'meshes' with the group enhances and builds the potential emotion that is then reflected by all members of the group. This creates a synergy that elevates the entire group's ability to emote and in my opinion enhances their ability to commit atrocity.


yeah I noticed that too, Im on the fringes of 2 cliques and in 1 clique I notice this clique dynamic and there interaction. They just fool around with stupid jokes that perpertuates their interaction. Some of its funny but its often quite meaningless interactions of jokes.
The other clique, they pretend to "love" each other, exchange meaningless pleasentries constantly, and they pretend there all "close" and stuff.

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Since I cannot carry the topic or share emotion in a group setting, I may only observe. This places me on the fringe at best. NTs in a group will always pressure the friend who invited me to leave me out, because since I cannot contribute, I create a drag on the synergy (party downer). I can enjoy friends, but never in a group. The group kills my ability to participate and then pressures my friend to abandon me for the group.


yeah same here, I love my friends, individually or with just a few of them. But it doesnt really help that most of the people that hang with, Im not actually friends with. Yeah its hard to keep the group energy going and connect and intermix yourself so often I stay quiet. Thats why Im always on the fringes.