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GeordieGent
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14 Mar 2016, 7:56 am

It seems to me that they do the outward facing stuff and profile raising of Autism issues well, but I feel they don't practice what they preach in their own services. Their attitudes are still outdated, institutionalised and in many ways discriminate more against people with autism than those they claim to challenge. That was certainly my experience. Obviously there are some fab people work for them who try their best and are equally as frustrated, but on the whole it seems to me there is a mass hypocrisy within the NAS. What do you think?



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14 Mar 2016, 10:20 am

I have pretty much the same impressions of the NAS. When I was diagnosed earlier this year, NAS literature was just about the only 'help' I received. When I looked through their register of local groups, I found that every single one within travelling distance was aimed at support for parents, with no mention of adults on the spectrum. I've also never seen any resources on their website that aren't available elsewhere - it's all just public domain information that any Google search could find easily enough.

From what I can gather, this mostly stems from their funding model. Although nominally a charity, the vast majority of their income is derived from providing services to local authorities and educational institutions. So, while they pretend to act on behalf of all autistic people, they play up the aspects of autism that they think will most elicit the sympathies of local government bureaucrats and government ministers. - i.e. advocating mostly for those autistic people with a 'funding stream' from their local authority.

Historically, the NAS was known as the National Autistic Children's Society until not so long ago. I think that this legacy is still very obvious in their outlook - it is all about autistic people having a dependent relationship with society around them, and then helping the people upon whom they depend. Very little thought seems to be given to the fact that autistic children grow up to be autistic adults, and that those adults may want help to live more independently.


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15 Mar 2016, 4:43 pm

I attended a local group organised by an appointed NAS rep.
They did a great job at arranging events, a hall, budgeting etc. I can't fault them for their efforts.
However, I have to agree with you guys in regards to their "focus"...

The meetings all seem geared towards assisting the parents and assuming the adults who do not come with carers or parents are simply there to socialise. Fortunately many are, and are happy to live in a bubble. I on the other hand wanted to learn more, excel in the outside world and be better than merely someone with a diagnosis that needs coddling. The NAS is not really intended to support this as far as I can see.

As such as I respect them the NAS groups and resources are unfortunately of not much help to me.


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15 Mar 2016, 5:36 pm

I should make clear that I find no fault with any of the groups themselves. There are indeed some very generous, caring people who run them, and I am glad that they are there for the people that need them.
However, the NAS as an umbrella organisation doesn't actually provide very much of that - the vast majority of the hard work is done by volunteers who are generally just regular members and affiliates.

Their forum is even worse - there are no trained counsellors and no NAS representatives on the forums except for one or two moderators (and their actions have been somewhat controversial lately - though I think without malice). There are a very small handful of people who are just regular forum members like me, not all NAS members, who are providing that entire service solely out of their desire to help out, and with no appropriate training.

Because parents do find local groups more easily and so disappear from the forum, it is in the bizarre situation where a handful of mostly late diagnosed male adults are doing their best to field queries from vulnerable female teens and distraught parents of very small children, some of whom only hours ago first discovered their child's diagnosis. Sometimes we can help, but very often we are at a loss what to say or do. I have to admit, I go there less often now, as I find this really upsetting, and feel helpless to improve the situation - and many other users seem to burn out from the same frustrations.

As the NAS is the most common first point of access that evaluators point people to, this simply isn't good enough. No matter how well NHS diagnostic teams around the country are funded, the people they diagnose cannot all hope to be dealt with by a tiny number of untrained fellow service users. GRRrrrr!


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15 Mar 2016, 5:50 pm

There are zero services for adults with autism in my area.

A couple for parents and children with autism. I'm not sure how welcome I'd be there and if my manchild defence would stand up.

I didn't think it would be the land of milk and honey after being diagnosed asd, but I kind of expected there to be something.