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21 Feb 2012, 5:14 am

http://www.dumblittleman.com/2009/01/ho ... o-lie.html

When I came across this article, I were surprised of how similar it descripes lying to how I feel in an ordinary conversation. And the description of how you are supposed to feel when you are not lying, are how I feel when I get to talk about something I am very interested in with someone I am comfortable talking to. Perhaps this is the answer to why Aspies are such crappy liers, and/or why they usually tell the truth.

This lead me to believe it might be like that for everyone with Asperger's? Or is that more of a trait from my social anxiety?

How did you feel it compared to how you behave/feel in a conversation were you are telling the truth?



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21 Feb 2012, 9:50 am

Stumble upon Paul Ekman, his research was ground breaking,

he changed the world in the past few years and no one noticed.



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21 Feb 2012, 10:49 am

The TV series 'lie to me' was based on Paul ekman's work and he had lots of input on the program.



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21 Feb 2012, 7:27 pm

This is a concept I was just thinking about today. I'm looking forward to reading the article, and any discussion that might ensue here :)



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22 Feb 2012, 12:25 am

I actually do not find it that hard to lie....unless its something super important and lyng about it could cause more problems. But sometimes I have to be a little dishonest because not doing that would cause more problems.


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22 Feb 2012, 1:29 am

Kail wrote:
Stumble upon Paul Ekman, his research was ground breaking

techstepscientist wrote:
The TV series 'lie to me' was based on Paul ekman's work and he had lots of input on the program.

I have seen all episodes of Lie to me, and heard of Paul Ekmans research. It is indeed interresting.

But my point was not so much how to become a better liar, but rather to shed light on the fact that Aspies might "feel" like they are lying when infact they are not. I only used the title of the article as topic for this thread, since I felt it fit nicely. :-) Sorry for any confusion it might have caused.

So, do you feel relaxed like they described in that article while you are telling the truth to a stranger, or are you more like me, you feel more like what they described as lying while you are actually telling the truth to a stranger?



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24 Feb 2012, 6:22 pm

This is an interesting discussion.
I, too, have felt that telling the truth feels like lying. I am aware where it stems from though. In my case it is related to overthinking and perfectionism. Even if it is a regular daily topic, I feel as if I'm lying when I do not provide enough evidence or fail to be specific at a certain point. I will feel guilty or uncomfortable... which immediately turns into a heavy baggage of a pathological liar... :roll:


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17 Apr 2012, 7:25 pm

Blownmind wrote:
http://www.dumblittleman.com/2009/01/how-neuroscience-can-teach-you-to-lie.html

When I came across this article, I were surprised of how similar it descripes lying to how I feel in an ordinary conversation. And the description of how you are supposed to feel when you are not lying, are how I feel when I get to talk about something I am very interested in with someone I am comfortable talking to. Perhaps this is the answer to why Aspies are such crappy liers, and/or why they usually tell the truth.

This lead me to believe it might be like that for everyone with Asperger's? Or is that more of a trait from my social anxiety?

How did you feel it compared to how you behave/feel in a conversation were you are telling the truth?


I very often feel like I am lying when in ordinary conversation, its a nasty feeling and I worry that others will pick up on it. It used to be the worst when there was trouble eg at school. I don't really feel that others see me as trustworthy - maybe I look shifty.


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17 Apr 2012, 7:42 pm

Lying is very easy for me. I don't think about my body, or over think other people's reactions, I just focus on saying the words.



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18 Apr 2012, 1:49 pm

I know how to lie just fine...and I like to be truthful but sometimes its not a good idea.


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19 Apr 2012, 4:04 am

Sometimes I feel like I'm "lying" in order to maintain a normal conversation. Like, instead of make the facial expressions and body mannerisms that are inherent, I know I must manually move my eyebrows, smile more, and stare into the face of the person I'm addressing. This even though I want to listen and stare into space. Aspies (at least myself) are unintentionally offputting and I need manual control to manipulate the situation in my favor.

I have a hard time lying because, as least when its a white lie, have a tendency to smile or laugh about it. But I also act like that if I say something I think the person thinks I'm saying is a lie.

So in summary, I'm a social mess. To state the obvious.



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19 Apr 2012, 4:14 pm

Social conversation can feel like the above an awful lot.

It is sort of like I am method acting, imagining a well-adjusted, sociable person, and then simulating that person, sometimes for hours. That extra work is, well, extra work. It is noticeable and it is draining.