Relieved to not socialize and then feeling lonely
Does anyone else feel this or am I just totally off?
I am content for the most part in my life, socialize very little, have my routine and my dogs and am okay. But at times I see groups laughing together or people together and I feel so left out and lonely and wish I had that. It seems that I want it for only that moment, but I know I'm not willing to do what it takes to have that in my life all the time.
I *could* make a big effort and join groups and go out and really make a nuisance of myself and insert myself into some sort of activity but then I would have the obligation, people calling, dealing with others when I don't want to deal with them, having them intrude on my routine and interrupt my personal time. That sounds selfish when I see it typed out. Is it selfishness or is it AS?
Isn't it the nature of the beast to yearn for the relationships while purposely staying on the outside of the circle?
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It's definitely AS. Some of us crave company but don't seek it. Weird, huh? We weigh the good and the bad and often end up on the side where we simply reject it even though we think it would be nice from time to time. It's that darn black & white thinking working against us, prevent us from people interrupting our agenda. Such is our fate.
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Yeah I do too, but then I realize they're probably doing/laughing about something stupid or uninteresting to me. You're always bound by their schedule or their vibrations anyways, so it would affect my decision making process and take up time doing the things I like to do. Plus I'm nice to a fault and it's hard to say no to people sometimes because I want to help everyone, and a lot of people can be cunning and untruthful, and it's hard to distinguish between truth and lies when you're just getting to know someone. Maybe I just have a problem letting people in - I don't know. But I enjoy being lonely for the most part. An example is my neighbor came knocking at my door the other day and we're supposedly friends, but he asked if he could have some cream so I said sure. He comes back with half of my cream and I didn't say anything at first, since he bolted away once he gave it back to me. So next time he comes to my door for anything I'm going to tell him I'm not a Safeway. Same with my other neighbors. People tend to take advantage of "nice" people...
And there's this event i was suppose to go to, to socialize with people for like a half an hour, but they said I could show up later so I didn't have to socialize. I mean... what's the point? What will I accomplish in a half an hour of talking to people?
I can definitely relate to this. On the one hand I would like to have friends and spend time with them, on the other hand the minimal 'socialising' I am forced to do at work is just about all I can take so I need some down time in the evenings and to work on my music, study, etc. I don't want to give that up. It's not so much a lack of motivation but a need to have protected time. Unfortunately this comes at a cost. A possible solution (if you can find a friend who would be amenable) might be to have clearly defined boundaries, so that you spend time on the first wednesday of the month or something like that and no more, and they understand that they can't just call or drop round univited or make any more demands on your time than you have agreed. If you can find a friend that would appreciate this it may work out, although I've found many people would not like this as the structure would put them off, they just tend to want to ring people and chat whatever time of day whenever they want
And there's this event i was suppose to go to, to socialize with people for like a half an hour, but they said I could show up later so I didn't have to socialize. I mean... what's the point? What will I accomplish in a half an hour of talking to people?
I assume you're female - have you seen the list of traits for females and how it differs from the common male traits? I have always questioned the male lists but this female one hit home directly.
I don't have the lack of empathy for the most part - unless it conflicts with one of my special interests. I do have too much empathy and a lack of boundaries which always leads to trouble as a female. I fall into conversations with such interest that the man speaking is sure I'm in love with him

And yes, almost every time I am IN a group of laughing people I think this is boring or they're laughing at stupid stuff or How much longer until I can get out of here?
But that doesn't stop me from feeling lonely again later on and wishing I had people to go hang out with.
It is such a mental tug of war.
Thank you Eternity29 and rerobin62 and WhiteWidow for sharing your understanding. I love Wrong Planet because it really does help to get this kind of affirmation.
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This is a very good solution but it is based on understanding and flexibility in another person.
Just this week a person I used to work with has re-emerged into my life and we've been friendly on email. Yesterday we met for lunch and it was very exciting. I looked forward to it - could barely sleep. It was just lunch but it was the first lunch out with a friend in well over a year. Maybe year 's'. Anyway it went well and I came back so pleased (and hyper critical as I was sure everything I said must have sounded stupid and I did many things 'wrong') but I also received feedback from her on email that it was a great reconnection for her as well. She invited me to another social gathering this weekend and I'm so happy about it! I'm going to try and go there. I feel this person is more understanding than most and just may be the right one to ask for that flexibility from.
In all my years I have not found that kind of flexibility in people, however. It seems to me it's a matter of finding an extra-ordinary person who will be patient and wants to be your friend, rather than doing something inside yourself to change. We have no control over others so it's more like a lucky random event.
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I'm not a female lol (check my profile)
I have lived all of my life though with females. From a single mom, grandmother, great grandmother etc. until I had to leave all of
the bad situations and live on my own. So perhaps a lot of the female personalities rubbed off on me, I've never had
a strong male figure in my life.
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Don't worry yourself - I feel EXACTLY the same way you do. The thought of staying in my room on the computer this Friday night really gives me a thrill, but when the time comes I feel quite angry at myself for not going out with my brother and his mates (which is an opportunity). But at the same time I want to see my brother going out of the door and then thinking ''ohh, thank God I don't have to go out aswell, I can just stay in my room and be myself and curl up in bed early and get lost in my films/cartoons!'' But then I think, ''oh my God I feel so pathetic just wanting to sit alone in my room and missing the chance to meet others, they must think I'm a right sad loner! I feel like a 70-year-old pensioner!'' Then I have to endure the next day when my cousins come over and just sit there talking about what happened last night at the pub for hours. They all seem to have so many shenanigans that happen to them during one night in a pub that it all gets so boring to listen to. But I feel like I should have gone out last night with them so I would have ONE THING in common with them!
It's hard coming from a family where there are so many cousins who are all into the same thing: going out and drinking. Can't they find anything else to do with their lives too, like maybe get jobs or do some sort of beneficial activity? But no, it always has to be drinking!
I do feel guilty for saying this but sometimes I just wish I never had any cousins, or if I did I just wish there was only very few and they were either way older than me or I didn't see them hardly at all or they had a disability or they were just quiet and weren't into socialising and were more into studying hard and getting a good job. Having extroverts for cousins and having them coming up and having them hanging out together with my brother just kind of stops me from wanting to live life how I want to live it. I'd rather just surround myself with older relatives, or my friends who are my age (but they aren't into clubbing and drinking anyway). If I had less cousins and weren't all into the same thing, I think I would be happier and not let myself get sucked into NT socialisation conformity so much.
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I'm not a female lol (check my profile)
I have lived all of my life though with females. From a single mom, grandmother, great grandmother etc. until I had to leave all of
the bad situations and live on my own. So perhaps a lot of the female personalities rubbed off on me, I've never had
a strong male figure in my life.
Oops - sorry.
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I hate routine, as I find it really depressing.
The rest however, I can agree with. I just don't know where to start.
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It's hard coming from a family where there are so many cousins who are all into the same thing: going out and drinking. Can't they find anything else to do with their lives too, like maybe get jobs or do some sort of beneficial activity? But no, it always has to be drinking!

I do feel guilty for saying this but sometimes I just wish I never had any cousins, or if I did I just wish there was only very few and they were either way older than me or I didn't see them hardly at all or they had a disability or they were just quiet and weren't into socialising and were more into studying hard and getting a good job. Having extroverts for cousins and having them coming up and having them hanging out together with my brother just kind of stops me from wanting to live life how I want to live it. I'd rather just surround myself with older relatives, or my friends who are my age (but they aren't into clubbing and drinking anyway). If I had less cousins and weren't all into the same thing, I think I would be happier and not let myself get sucked into NT socialisation conformity so much.
Interesting - so you also are quite torn.
I agree with you about the drinking. When I was younger I tried to keep up and go along and it was all so tiresome. They just drink and do something stupid, someone gets sick and throws up somewhere or they do some daring stunt and may or may not get hurt, etc. I have been drunk and found it frightening to just leave my senses. I was scared that anything could happen to me at that time and I didn't have the mindset to protect myself. :\
To purposely leave your mind like that often seems very dangerous and a real waste of time (and money) to me. Most of the ones I drank with seemed to just take turns being injured or being fined or worse for destroying property or doing something wrongful that they shouldn't have done.
And yes I feel like a very old lady typing those words. But I felt this way at 20 so it's not just age. It's the fact that I don't need to escape in that way. Maybe the other things you mentioned like favorite films, video games, research are enough of an escape for us.
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It's not just avoiding it all because it's socialising. It's more so because I am in an anxious state of mind more than normal, and I am looking for a job but can't find one and keep getting rejected with every job that I go for, and there are other worries that I have got that make me think socialising at night is the last thing I want to do. It's all right of them, some of them are in secure jobs and others are just happy being dossers, but I want a steady job so I can feel more secure, then maybe I might be in a more happier frame of mind to go out and meet people. But at the moment, because of all this anxiety I suffer with and being unemployed makes it even worse, I prefer to do social activities with the few friends that I have got during the day, and just shut the world away at night (especially on week-end nights) and forget it all by reading a good book or writing a good story or having a nice relaxing bath or watching a good film/cartoon in bed, rather than having to go out and put on this relaxed happy front and socialise.
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I know what you mean. Most of the times it seems that other people want to do things I find boring, like drinking, bar hopping or strip clubs. All that ends up happening for me in these situations is that I sit there sober and have nothing in common with the other people I am around. I would much rather be at home working on a project, or in someone else's garage helping them put together a car. It's not that I am antisocial, it's that I am anti-normal socializing situations.
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I'm like that too. If I didn't have so many cousins that emotionally make me feel guilty or obliged to have to go out and drink to be ''great'', I probably would feel more happy to sit at home on Friday and Saturday nights writing on my laptop, writing anything from ranting about my life on WP, to writing a good story on Microsoft Office Word or whatever it's called. I know I could still do it regardless of who my cousins are and what they're doing, but having NT cousins around me who do come by on week-ends, sometimes can make it hard to block the NT world away and instead get sucked into their world. I don't really want to feel like a geek amoung all of my cousins.
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