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19 Jul 2013, 7:59 pm

I am not talking race, sexual orientation, nationality, etc. . I guess what I am saying is that is it wrong to be cordial to people, be nice, etc. , but seek out your own kind and socialize mostly with them. Is this wrong? My mom thinks so. But if I keep getting emotionally beat up by average people, why even try with them?

How this started is how I made a mini rant about beer, and how it turns people into jack asses many times (not everyone, just many people I know). I just hate the sleazy culture of my town, the beer, big trucks, outdoors stuff, tattoos, etc. . I am not actually against outdoors, I just hate all the macho BS that comes with it, and the lack of rationality of people. If people want to do those things, fine, just don't include me or place me in a place this is going on.



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19 Jul 2013, 8:16 pm

no one enjoys spending loads of time with people they have nothing in common with.



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19 Jul 2013, 8:18 pm

Whether or not discrimination is wrong depends on what is being discriminated against. What's more, discrimination is something everybody does. Even your mother discriminates against discrimination.

As far as the birds of a feather flock together idea, if I believed in human rights, I think the very first human right would have to be the right to associate, or not associate, with whomever we damn well please. The last thing we need is for the government to tell us who we cannot or must associate with.



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19 Jul 2013, 8:24 pm

I don't consider it discrimination to make friends with people you have things in common with. Of course, if you are rude and obnoxious towards people for no reason other than they are not in your social sphere, it's another story.



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20 Jul 2013, 1:07 am

EmberEyes wrote:
I don't consider it discrimination to make friends with people you have things in common with. Of course, if you are rude and obnoxious towards people for no reason other than they are not in your social sphere, it's another story.


I agree.

dis·crim·i·na·tion : The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

So by definition, you are discriminating against the category of "people who drink beer"? Hm. Doesn't bother me so much. I have less concerns around discriminating people's behaviours (in which they have control over) vs. their race, age, sex, or sexual orientation.

I think you are more frustrated by your small community (from the sounds of it) and often times, small communities are just like that .. drink, party, sleep around, drive trucks, smoke, etc .. because they're BORED.



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20 Jul 2013, 6:12 am

there is nothing wrong with disliking rude and obnoxious people becouse they are rude and obnoxious, it becomes wrong if you dislike them (or call them rude/obnoxious) becouse they have lower education, are a different race, insert-uncontrollable-effect-here...

i know many people that fit into OPs named group that i do not like, but not due to the social group, since i also have friends out of the same environments; i give everyone an honest chance to show his/her actual personality below the shell of their group



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20 Jul 2013, 10:03 am

ASDsmom wrote:
EmberEyes wrote:
I don't consider it discrimination to make friends with people you have things in common with. Of course, if you are rude and obnoxious towards people for no reason other than they are not in your social sphere, it's another story.


I agree.

dis·crim·i·na·tion : The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

So by definition, you are discriminating against the category of "people who drink beer"? Hm. Doesn't bother me so much. I have less concerns around discriminating people's behaviours (in which they have control over) vs. their race, age, sex, or sexual orientation.

I think you are more frustrated by your small community (from the sounds of it) and often times, small communities are just like that .. drink, party, sleep around, drive trucks, smoke, etc .. because they're BORED.


Actually, you only pasted half of the definition. Discrimination can be just as well as unjust:

The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
Recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.



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20 Jul 2013, 12:20 pm

I purposely didnt post the second half because the OP had already stated:

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I am not talking race, sexual orientation, nationality, etc


.. so I felt it was irrelevant to his point. Your bolded point was not mentioned in the link I accessed (or at least I don't remember reading it).



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20 Jul 2013, 12:29 pm

ASDsmom wrote:
I purposely didnt post the second half because the OP had already stated:

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I am not talking race, sexual orientation, nationality, etc


.. so I felt it was irrelevant to his point. Your bolded point was not mentioned in the link I accessed (or at least I don't remember reading it).


Discrimination can be bad even if it doesn't include race, sexual orientation, or nationality. I'm sure you would agree that discrimination against aspies is bad too--or against less attractive people. But, ultimately, discrimination includes all of these things, as well as good forms of discrimination, say, against bullies and cheaters.