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Summer_Twilight
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01 Jan 2013, 8:05 pm

Hi,
As some of you maybe aware, I left a post about attempting to reach out to a former friend who now feels that I am dead to her. I had decided to try and sell her some AVON by putting her on the list that she could read herself recently. This was since I still had her e-mail on hand and I had put her on the list to see if she would want anything and to see if she would be interested in sharing it with her friends and networks about AVON. I was not really interested to re-kindle anything since we are a very bad mix. This girl has not been a good friend and is one of those people who is too fragile and flaky to be around. She had happened to be on the list for a month or two now that I think about it. Yet, she did not bother to say anything but quietly removed herself from the list.

So I had attempted to write to her and mention about the networking in buying and selling since the ARMY has an array of ARMY wives who would would like that. I then told her how I was doing as well as talk about another friend of mine who she used to date. I then said, "Let me know how you are doing."

She wrote back very angry with a threatening tone that I rejected her during a very rough time in her life and how she needed me the most. She also said that we were not friends at this point and asked me not to contact her again in addition to her family.

In terms of my situation, did I pick a fight with her?



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01 Jan 2013, 8:21 pm

Nah. She's just bitter for whatever reason. Some people like to hold grudges no matter how much time has gone by



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01 Jan 2013, 8:42 pm

Good. I just did not want to be doing something that would get her upset like hinting a fight with the AVON stuff.

As for her writing that nasty letter in response, do you think she was picking a fight or just plain scaring me off?

I myself find that she was trying to pick a fight on her end when I attempted to reach out.



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01 Jan 2013, 8:46 pm

She specifically told you not to contact her again. So just leave her alone from now on.



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01 Jan 2013, 8:50 pm

I will just leave her alone. However, she does this all the time to people until she wants something and then it is
" I am so sorry that I hurt you. Let's start from scratch while I sweep this crap under the rug." (She does not really say that but that is what she says in so many words.



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01 Jan 2013, 8:56 pm

boy a lot of this sounds so familiar to me as a similar thing has happened to me-minor differences but similar-I was de-friended and after some mixed messages-and still I feel as though I am being punished still.


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01 Jan 2013, 9:06 pm

She's doing that because you let her.
You are the one who contacted her this time.
Why did you do that if you were "not really interested to re-kindle anything since we are a very bad mix."
Just ignore her if she contact you next time if you really want nothing to do with her. As simple as that.



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01 Jan 2013, 9:09 pm

She punishes everyone and stays mad at them for stupid reasons. For instance, she picks on people who get on her nerves and acts very hostile with them. I saw her do it openly on FB on someone else's wall when someone tried to say hi to her when she was in the middle of another conversation in the comment section.

She said "HEY, LEAVE ME ALONE." All of a sudden the convo went right to her.



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01 Jan 2013, 9:12 pm

Summer_Twilight wrote:
Hi,
As some of you maybe aware, I left a post about attempting to reach out to a former friend who now feels that I am dead to her. I had decided to try and sell her some AVON by putting her on the list that she could read herself recently. This was since I still had her e-mail on hand and I had put her on the list to see if she would want anything and to see if she would be interested in sharing it with her friends and networks about AVON. I was not really interested to re-kindle anything since we are a very bad mix. This girl has not been a good friend and is one of those people who is too fragile and flaky to be around. She had happened to be on the list for a month or two now that I think about it. Yet, she did not bother to say anything but quietly removed herself from the list.

So I had attempted to write to her and mention about the networking in buying and selling since the ARMY has an array of ARMY wives who would would like that. I then told her how I was doing as well as talk about another friend of mine who she used to date. I then said, "Let me know how you are doing."

She wrote back very angry with a threatening tone that I rejected her during a very rough time in her life and how she needed me the most. She also said that we were not friends at this point and asked me not to contact her again in addition to her family.

In terms of my situation, did I pick a fight with her?


I detest people who try to get me tied up with multilevel marketing scams. I find even the suggestion that I participate to be quite offensive.



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01 Jan 2013, 10:15 pm

Yuzu wrote:
She's doing that because you let her.
You are the one who contacted her this time.
Why did you do that if you were "not really interested to re-kindle anything since we are a very bad mix."
Just ignore her if she contact you next time if you really want nothing to do with her. As simple as that.


I just contacted her in response to her unsubscribing on a professional business level. In fact, I am doing that with everyone about networking. I also wanted to know how she was doing on the professional level as well. I also enjoy reaching out as well as it had been two years since our last contact and I thought she would have been over it by now. Most people I talk to don't respond like that who I had a fall out in the past either so.


As for my AVON it was not a marketing scam Eric. AVON requires you to make a move in terms of sending out warm letters to everyone who had given you contact information.



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01 Jan 2013, 10:39 pm

Summer_Twilight wrote:
As for my AVON it was not a marketing scam Eric. AVON requires you to make a move in terms of sending out warm letters to everyone who had given you contact information.


I'm another one who would be hugely offended by anyone who tried to involve me in this sort of thing. The fact that "X Company requires it" wouldn't really change my opinion. Of course they require it; their whole business model is based on sucking more people in. And I don't want to be sucked in to make money for someone else.

I'm not trying to beat up on you about this. But since you do seem to want to understand, you should know there are people who would take an approach like the one you described as an insult. I admit, from my perspective "scam" is debatable - but "multi-level marketing" is just as awful to me as the most blatant scam. In fact, I usually get less annoyed by the Nigerian guys who want to "give me money", because at least they aren't people I actually know trying to get me involved in their money-making schemes, and their activity isn't tolerated by most of society. Marketing - almost all of it - is based on making money by manipulating other people.


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02 Jan 2013, 5:34 am

Summer_Twilight wrote:
I just contacted her in response to her unsubscribing on a professional business level. In fact, I am doing that with everyone about networking. I also wanted to know how she was doing on the professional level as well. I also enjoy reaching out as well as it had been two years since our last contact and I thought she would have been over it by now. Most people I talk to don't respond like that who I had a fall out in the past either so.


She asked you not to contact her again and so you send her another e-mail because she unsubscribed from something she never asked to be subscribed to in the first place?

First of all, she should not have had to unsubscribe at all because you should never have put her on the list. Adding people to lists without their authorization is spamming and that clearly makes you a spammer.

And then when she unsubscribes from the list you contact her again? There is nothing reasonable about that at all.

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As for my AVON it was not a marketing scam Eric. AVON requires you to make a move in terms of sending out warm letters to everyone who had given you contact information.


If AVON wasn't already a spam operation, you certainly made them one. If it is AVON's policy to add anyone to a marketing list that they received contact information for, then they are nothing but scumbags who deserve to be run out of business.



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02 Jan 2013, 8:32 am

Actually, I did not write to her before putting her on the list. It was only after she unsubscribed that I wrote back and attempted to explain the situation to be direct and honest with her.

As for the AVON, I am getting started and I am trying to find the best solution to selling AVON. So far the best one would be to start out by ordering a few products and then having someone on E-bay sell them for me. Then the person can do direct delivery. That way I could start a relationship. I also found that using free online classifieds with pictures will draw them in.



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02 Jan 2013, 8:44 am

Summer_Twilight wrote:
Actually, I did not write to her before putting her on the list. It was only after she unsubscribed that I wrote back and attempted to explain the situation to be direct and honest with her.


Did you ask for and receive her permission to put her on the list?



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02 Jan 2013, 8:54 am

Summer_Twilight wrote:
So far the best one would be to start out by ordering a few products and then having someone on E-bay sell them for me. Then the person can do direct delivery. That way I could start a relationship. I also found that using free online classifieds with pictures will draw them in.


It doesn't make sense for them to buy AVON products on eBay and then resell them when they could just become an AVON representative themselves.

What would they pay on eBay? The full price? Does AVON have any rules regarding discounting? If they set a fixed sales price for their products and you sell them for some other price, presumably a lower price, they might have a cause of action against you.



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02 Jan 2013, 9:17 am

Actually, what a rep can do is purchase a bunch of things at a discounted price and then pay for them. After that, they often have the option of selling the items at their own price. This as long as the products are bought and paid for.

With Ebay, I saw that someone else was trying to sell one of the more popular products in terms of skin care. I looked and it said that you could request to sell it for you. However, it looks like EBAY wants me to set up and auctioning system.

You can also sell the items at garage sales and flea markets again as long as the things you owned are paid for by you. Then you can re-sell and have some extra money.

As for trying to sell AVON items using EBAY as way to advertise that you are an independent sales rep.

However, as for future ways to look for costumers to subscribe I think I will just send one invite out on evite. If I do not hear anything or get a no. I will not bother.