A history of social isolation
My family has always been very social. Throughout my childhood, my parents regularly indulged in various weekend gatherings of friends. My sister spent her highschool years attending parties every other night, followed by much of the same in university. Now, in their elder years, my parents appear to be more social than ever while my middle-aged sister and her own family are constantly inundated with friends and social invitations.
Unlike the others, I was more of a loner. As a young child, I was able to keep myself amused although I was pushed into various activities involving others. In my teens, I was usually able to maintain one or two friendships at a time but, even then, most of my leisure time was in spent in solitude since group activities made me feel uncomfortable.
Who am I kidding? I was not exactly popular. My hermit-like existence troubled my parents to the point where they badgered me about not getting out there and interacting with others. I guess that and the media rubbed off on me because, the older I got, the more I pined for some kind of community. I didn't belong to any religious organization, sports team or other group. The Internet , which could have saved me a lot of personal torment, did not yet exist for the masses.
Late in highschool, with persistence, I did eventually manage to find various groups of acquaintences to hang out with. Unfortunately, my awkward demeanor sometimes weirded people out and I stumbled upon enough unpleasant experiences with others to propagate a high level of anxiety. Sometimes the things I said or missed suggested to others that I was stupid and stupid inevitably becomes the subject of recurrent jokes (all jokes have a victim). Having seen this pattern enough times in various contexts, I developed an unhealthy fear of judgement. The anxiety carried over into university, causing me to more-or-less keep to myself thoughout a period that is normally associated with branching out and networking.
To be fair, I did have a select few friends that I'd occassionally hang out with and there were various girls who I dated but, compared to family members and most of my peers, I wasn't exactly living it up even though I felt I would have liked to!
I thought things might change after graduation. With new found confidence and a new city, I embarked upon my career. Surely, I'd fit in somewhere in this fresh, exciting new environment. For a time, a group a work colleagues included me in various activities. While this was a positive development, I did notice some of the familiar social patterns and anxiety emerging again. Following a few years of moderate coworker socialization came a shift toward more cliquey surroundings. Around this time, I left the city for the suburbs and started a family. Family obligations make it harder to socialize, especially when you're not already acquainted with other families in similar situations. Once again, I recoiled back into semi-hermitdom.
Years later, I find myself in a similar state. Yeah, I've got a family and, yeah, I encounter the odd acquaintence. But I hardly know anyone in the area and I continue to lack what I'd call a community. Beyond organized groups that cator to the religious, ladies, youths or seniors, suburbia doesn't seem to offer much in the way of bringing people together. Seems most of the folks I've run into are friends of my wife who aren't interested in knowing me beyond my association as "the husband". In fact, some of my wife's male coworkers are a little too interested in my wife - that doesn't help my anxiety levels either. It seems like these normal people, my wife included, are more on the same wavelength with each other than I.
All this anxiety, awkwardness and isolation makes a lot of sense now if I consider that I have Asperger's Syndrome. Okay, so I have an affliction that can explain my social failings. What do I do with it? Give up and use it as an excuse not to be social?
While your style of writing does seem very Aspie-like, I'm not the one who can fully answer that. Everyone's different ;P
That said, if you need help with the marriage specifically, the Love and Dating forum would be nice.
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That said, if you need help with the marriage specifically, the Love and Dating forum would be nice.
Thanks for the feedback. This one isn't really about marriage - it's more about community.
I haven't really got any useful advice to offer, but I can relate and I know how you feel.
Coming from a family of social people can make one feel more isolated than they should feel. I come from quite a large family, with lots of aunts and uncles and cousins, and they are all NTs. Well, sometimes we think that one cousin of mine and one aunt of mine may have some signifficant Aspie traits, but they still are (and have always been) more able to make friends better than I ever have. Also everybody's different, and presenting a few ASD traits doesn't always necessarily mean one has AS. I seem the worst.
I have 12 cousins, and they are all NTs. Well, one of them has some learning difficulties, but, like I said, has always been more able to communicate and behave better than me as a child. She got invited to more parties than I ever did. I didn't feel socially isolated at all until I got to about 11, when I went up to High School. That was when I noticed how friendless I really was, and it got worse because all the other kids had their own groups to hang out with, and the whole idea of being at High School was to prove how social you are (according to the kids anyway). And people who were on their own got picked on. So I had to try my best to latch on to people in my class, although they didn't want me there. I was so happy on my last day of school.
The idea is to try not to compare your social status to other people, like your family. I know it is hard, and I can say that because I find it hard NOT to compare myself to my cousins and what they're doing. Sometimes I can block it out from my mind and just focus on my job and the few friends that I have got, and I just think that life could be worse so I just got to make the most of what I do have. I know it is hard. I don't know if this is the answer you are looking for, since I haven't read all of your post (due to short attention span).
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Not at all. If you truly have aspergers than this is a new beginning for you. You can approach life with a new awareness of what your strengths and weaknesses are.......
You could be suffering from asperger, otherwise there is no reason that you were exposed to people right from childhood but you couldnt gel with them.
In my case my parents were recluse and so was my entire extended family a recluse
And i am the same....
Though i tried hard to fit in but i never understood social cues
and now after so many mistakes i have given up and become totally reclusive
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By all means no!! ! Think positive. First of all, Aspergers is not an affliction but rather a very precious gift of nature. If you don't believe that, then take a look at the incorrect pleasures list of famous Aspies (link below). Secondly, Aspergers should not be used as an excuse for anything. Instead, learn more about AS and how it may apply to you and cultivate those strengths for all that they are worth. You will become a better person for it. Tony Atwood's page on Aspies Strengths and Advantages may be of some help to you (second link below).
> http://incorrectpleasures.blogspot.com/ ... rtant.html
> http://theotherside.wordpress.com/my-ra ... dvantages/
These three links are my favorites and were of great help to me when coming to terms with my own autism nearly three years ago. The first link below is my all time favorite but the current version of that page was whacked a year or so ago by an NT admin who had no knowledge of or interest in autism (his primary interest was veterans affairs and finances). The link listed below is an archived version of the older, good version of that page. The third link below touches on the cognitive delays that IMHO are probably at the root of many of the other traits of autism, but given little attention by the so-called "pros". As Aspies, we take in so much more information than NTs do that it is not humanly possible for our minds to process it all in realtime, so we are always running a day late and a dollar short.
> http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?title= ... id=5425285
> http://autism.lovetoknow.com/Aspergers_Checklist
> http://life-with-aspergers.blogspot.com ... nd-nt.html
Cheers
I appreciate that you can relate to the same kinds of issues I've faced. In my case, I think I may have faired slightly better in highschool, given that I wasn't picked on and I did manage to loosely associate with some groups. That said, my sociability has declined significantly since those days.
Usually I could care less how social I am and, for the most part, I'd rather spend time with my wife and family than with some boisterous group of friends. I end up feeling slightly annoyed when my sister, parents or acquaintences I know seem to boast and flaunt their busy social lives to me as though anyone who isn't partying it up regularly is some kind of freak.
Yeah, thanks, this is the kind of thing I'm looking for. Just wanting people to relate to here.
Did you struggle with communication?
Well, sort of. Sometimes I've been acused of being too 'robotic' or 'monotone'. I have no problem finding words but I think I have some issues with eye contact, body language and tone, especially when around groups. Anxiety makes all of this much worse although I've found that can be mitigated by things like alcohol (not recommending that, though).
Not at all. If you truly have aspergers than this is a new beginning for you. You can approach life with a new awareness of what your strengths and weaknesses are.......
It seems that some people here have just accepted the AS as reason to keep to themselves. I wonder whether such a diagnosis plays into the choice. Yes, it's nice to be able to explain strengths and shortcomings but I'm not sure how this awareness assists in the social interactions themselves.
I wouldn't say my childhood interactions were complete failures - there was some moderate success in gelling with people, usually other individuals as opposed to groups. Nevertheless my quirks and obliviousness were highlighted on occasion.
And i am the same....
Though i tried hard to fit in but i never understood social cues
and now after so many mistakes i have given up and become totally reclusive
So you've actually given up trying? Could you describe the events led to you giving up on trying to be social?
By all means no!! ! Think positive. First of all, Aspergers is not an affliction but rather a very precious gift of nature. If you don't believe that, then take a look at the incorrect pleasures list of famous Aspies (link below). Secondly, Aspergers should not be used as an excuse for anything. Instead, learn more about AS and how it may apply to you and cultivate those strengths for all that they are worth.
Thanks for your very optimistic and considerate reply. I realize there are many gifts that come with AS. I would never give up the AS strengths that I have to be normal - they are identity-defining and provide me tremendous advantages. While I don't doubt that several of the famous and important people listed have/had AS, I'm always a bit skeptical when the claims aren't officially substantiated. I've seen similar lists show up for ADD among other disorders. That said, this link is quite informative with the nice descriptions of these iconic figures so I've bookmarked it for later reading.
> http://theotherside.wordpress.com/my-ra ... dvantages/
I have not yet had a chance to go through this link but it looks promising so I've bookmarked it. I'll do the same for the other links. Apologies for not yet being able to comment in an detail about all this wonderful info you've presented me but my time is a bit limited right now. Again, thanks a lot!
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