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26 Apr 2013, 10:23 pm
26 Apr 2013, 10:47 pm
Really, the only people in my life who criticizes my intonation are my parents 
It's getting close to a point where I'm not even bothering to monitor it anymore. It took a lot of stress to reach that point from monotone and I already know it's only going to sound close to natural, not pass off as if it is, like they desperately want.
26 Apr 2013, 10:48 pm
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26 Apr 2013, 10:55 pm
26 Apr 2013, 11:02 pm
daydreamer84 wrote:
^^^
There are trends of intonation? I had no idea. That's interesting. To be fair to my prof she said "these are the stereotypes" and then said they aren't always true and that there was a girl in her class who was the top student who "up-talked".
There are trends of intonation? I had no idea. That's interesting. To be fair to my prof she said "these are the stereotypes" and then said they aren't always true and that there was a girl in her class who was the top student who "up-talked".
She should have started her class with that.
Here's an article that describe trends of intonation really well
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archiv ... ty/267046/
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26 Apr 2013, 11:13 pm
26 Apr 2013, 11:36 pm
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Oddly enough , my voice is really raspy AND it's sing-songy and goes up at the end of sentences. At-least I think so. Does that mean I have up-talk and vocal-fry? Sheesh! I don't want to sound like I'm trying to sound like a celebrity...I'm not. That's just my voice. I'm surprised it's trendy. When I worked as a telemarketer I was told by my supervisor in my feedback session that my voice was too sing-songy (the up-talk). She said she didn't know whether I came from somewhere else or if it was an accent but it was too sing-songy.
That's just the way language is evolving right now
You could just actually be insecure and if so telling you to stop isn't really helping. I don't know how you talk, but I've been told my voice sounds like song too, but it doesn't change pitch in the middle of words like what I think of as sing-songy. I think it's just how it sounds if you're monotone in every word but vary what tone it is. Too much pitch-change in the middle of words sounds like whining and that's the only real negative thing I can come up with, concerning voices.All aspie(ish) people I've met have been asked about their "accents" some time
.So if you don't sound like your peers then it might be an aspie thing, and if you do sound like your peers then it's "normal" and you don't need to change it. Not that you need to change it if it's an aspie thing either
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/creaky-voice-yet-another-example-of-young-womens-linguistic-ingenuity/267046/ wrote:
It's no surprise that Garfield, a member of the silver-haired commentariat, thinks vocal fry is an abomination. As Slate's Amanda Hess points out, in his mind its spread signals the "downfall of his own mode of communication" and suggests that "young women may not be forced to carefully modify totally benign aspects of their behavior in order to be heard." But this dynamic is by no means new. In large part, the story of language is one of the dominant political group trying to fix the linguistic code in place, and those below them pushing and pulling it loose. Unlike in economics, however, the 99 percent always wins.
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26 Apr 2013, 11:49 pm
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daydreamer84 wrote:
Oddly enough , my voice is really raspy AND it's sing-songy and goes up at the end of sentences. At-least I think so. Does that mean I have up-talk and vocal-fry? Sheesh! I don't want to sound like I'm trying to sound like a celebrity...I'm not. That's just my voice. I'm surprised it's trendy. When I worked as a telemarketer I was told by my supervisor in my feedback session that my voice was too sing-songy (the up-talk). She said she didn't know whether I came from somewhere else or if it was an accent but it was too sing-songy.
That's just the way language is evolving right now
You could just actually be insecure and if so telling you to stop isn't really helping. I don't know how you talk, but I've been told my voice sounds like song too, but it doesn't change pitch in the middle of words like what I think of as sing-songy. I think it's just how it sounds if you're monotone in every word but vary what tone it is. Too much pitch-change in the middle of words sounds like whining and that's the only real negative thing I can come up with, concerning voices.All aspie(ish) people I've met have been asked about their "accents" some time
.So if you don't sound like your peers then it might be an aspie thing, and if you do sound like your peers then it's "normal" and you don't need to change it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/creaky-voice-yet-another-example-of-young-womens-linguistic-ingenuity/267046/ wrote:
It's no surprise that Garfield, a member of the silver-haired commentariat, thinks vocal fry is an abomination. As Slate's Amanda Hess points out, in his mind its spread signals the "downfall of his own mode of communication" and suggests that "young women may not be forced to carefully modify totally benign aspects of their behavior in order to be heard." But this dynamic is by no means new. In large part, the story of language is one of the dominant political group trying to fix the linguistic code in place, and those below them pushing and pulling it loose. Unlike in economics, however, the 99 percent always wins.
hmmm I don't know....I don't think I sound quite like my peers but not incredibly different either. People have pointed out random things about my voice (too much enunciation, odd rhythm ect) and asked if I had an accent occasionally over the years so I'm guessing it sounds a bit odd. It's not REALLY odd though. Prosody was never mentioned in my neuro-psych reports as a kid which DId mention things like my not taking turns in conversations ect. I was diagnosed when I was in grade 8 so I've been in the system for a long time. I am insecure as well. My mum sometimes tells me to stop whining but I might actually be whining and just not realize it. I'm not sure.
Interesting articles though. My prof must have been using old material that she had taught in previous years since she referred to up-talk as being a young girl thing and didn't mention vocal-fry.
27 Apr 2013, 12:31 am
27 Apr 2013, 12:34 am
daydreamer84 wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
daydreamer84 wrote:
Oddly enough , my voice is really raspy AND it's sing-songy and goes up at the end of sentences. At-least I think so. Does that mean I have up-talk and vocal-fry? Sheesh! I don't want to sound like I'm trying to sound like a celebrity...I'm not. That's just my voice. I'm surprised it's trendy. When I worked as a telemarketer I was told by my supervisor in my feedback session that my voice was too sing-songy (the up-talk). She said she didn't know whether I came from somewhere else or if it was an accent but it was too sing-songy.
That's just the way language is evolving right now
You could just actually be insecure and if so telling you to stop isn't really helping. I don't know how you talk, but I've been told my voice sounds like song too, but it doesn't change pitch in the middle of words like what I think of as sing-songy. I think it's just how it sounds if you're monotone in every word but vary what tone it is. Too much pitch-change in the middle of words sounds like whining and that's the only real negative thing I can come up with, concerning voices.All aspie(ish) people I've met have been asked about their "accents" some time
.So if you don't sound like your peers then it might be an aspie thing, and if you do sound like your peers then it's "normal" and you don't need to change it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/creaky-voice-yet-another-example-of-young-womens-linguistic-ingenuity/267046/ wrote:
It's no surprise that Garfield, a member of the silver-haired commentariat, thinks vocal fry is an abomination. As Slate's Amanda Hess points out, in his mind its spread signals the "downfall of his own mode of communication" and suggests that "young women may not be forced to carefully modify totally benign aspects of their behavior in order to be heard." But this dynamic is by no means new. In large part, the story of language is one of the dominant political group trying to fix the linguistic code in place, and those below them pushing and pulling it loose. Unlike in economics, however, the 99 percent always wins.
hmmm I don't know....I don't think I sound quite like my peers but not incredibly different either. People have pointed out random things about my voice (too much enunciation, odd rhythm ect) and asked if I had an accent occasionally over the years so I'm guessing it sounds a bit odd. It's not REALLY odd though. Prosody was never mentioned in my neuro-psych reports as a kid which DId mention things like my not taking turns in conversations ect. I was diagnosed when I was in grade 8 so I've been in the system for a long time. I am insecure as well. My mum sometimes tells me to stop whining but I might actually be whining and just not realize it. I'm not sure.
Interesting articles though. My prof must have been using old material that she had taught in previous years since she referred to up-talk as being a young girl thing and didn't mention vocal-fry.
You don't have to worry about it anyway. If you're going to do such a big effort as changing your entire way of speaking, it better be worth it and I don't know if it is. You'd need a trained vocal coach to show you how. I doubt there's anything that needs changing in the first place.
And the whining could be about the subject matter (fairly or not) and not the voice.
27 Apr 2013, 12:45 am
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27 Apr 2013, 1:52 am
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It's sad, but when I hear "up talk" I think "idiot." Can't help it. It just drives me insane. As a matter of fact, I've said to people in real life, "Are you asking me or telling me?"
I'm telling you??
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27 Apr 2013, 1:55 am
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daydreamer84 wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
daydreamer84 wrote:
Oddly enough , my voice is really raspy AND it's sing-songy and goes up at the end of sentences. At-least I think so. Does that mean I have up-talk and vocal-fry? Sheesh! I don't want to sound like I'm trying to sound like a celebrity...I'm not. That's just my voice. I'm surprised it's trendy. When I worked as a telemarketer I was told by my supervisor in my feedback session that my voice was too sing-songy (the up-talk). She said she didn't know whether I came from somewhere else or if it was an accent but it was too sing-songy.
That's just the way language is evolving right now
You could just actually be insecure and if so telling you to stop isn't really helping. I don't know how you talk, but I've been told my voice sounds like song too, but it doesn't change pitch in the middle of words like what I think of as sing-songy. I think it's just how it sounds if you're monotone in every word but vary what tone it is. Too much pitch-change in the middle of words sounds like whining and that's the only real negative thing I can come up with, concerning voices.All aspie(ish) people I've met have been asked about their "accents" some time
.So if you don't sound like your peers then it might be an aspie thing, and if you do sound like your peers then it's "normal" and you don't need to change it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/creaky-voice-yet-another-example-of-young-womens-linguistic-ingenuity/267046/ wrote:
It's no surprise that Garfield, a member of the silver-haired commentariat, thinks vocal fry is an abomination. As Slate's Amanda Hess points out, in his mind its spread signals the "downfall of his own mode of communication" and suggests that "young women may not be forced to carefully modify totally benign aspects of their behavior in order to be heard." But this dynamic is by no means new. In large part, the story of language is one of the dominant political group trying to fix the linguistic code in place, and those below them pushing and pulling it loose. Unlike in economics, however, the 99 percent always wins.
hmmm I don't know....I don't think I sound quite like my peers but not incredibly different either. People have pointed out random things about my voice (too much enunciation, odd rhythm ect) and asked if I had an accent occasionally over the years so I'm guessing it sounds a bit odd. It's not REALLY odd though. Prosody was never mentioned in my neuro-psych reports as a kid which DId mention things like my not taking turns in conversations ect. I was diagnosed when I was in grade 8 so I've been in the system for a long time. I am insecure as well. My mum sometimes tells me to stop whining but I might actually be whining and just not realize it. I'm not sure.
Interesting articles though. My prof must have been using old material that she had taught in previous years since she referred to up-talk as being a young girl thing and didn't mention vocal-fry.
You don't have to worry about it anyway. If you're going to do such a big effort as changing your entire way of speaking, it better be worth it and I don't know if it is. You'd need a trained vocal coach to show you how. I doubt there's anything that needs changing in the first place.
And the whining could be about the subject matter (fairly or not) and not the voice.
Thanks Anomiel. I listened to an old youtube video I made (2 years ago) and I sound awful in it though. It's crappy quality and volume. I'm going to re-record one tomorrow. My mum's sleeping so I can't do it now...I'd wake her up. but still, here it is....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toaIg3tbY8w[/youtube]
27 Apr 2013, 2:06 am
27 Apr 2013, 10:10 am
daydreamer84 wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
daydreamer84 wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
daydreamer84 wrote:
Oddly enough , my voice is really raspy AND it's sing-songy and goes up at the end of sentences. At-least I think so. Does that mean I have up-talk and vocal-fry? Sheesh! I don't want to sound like I'm trying to sound like a celebrity...I'm not. That's just my voice. I'm surprised it's trendy. When I worked as a telemarketer I was told by my supervisor in my feedback session that my voice was too sing-songy (the up-talk). She said she didn't know whether I came from somewhere else or if it was an accent but it was too sing-songy.
That's just the way language is evolving right now
You could just actually be insecure and if so telling you to stop isn't really helping. I don't know how you talk, but I've been told my voice sounds like song too, but it doesn't change pitch in the middle of words like what I think of as sing-songy. I think it's just how it sounds if you're monotone in every word but vary what tone it is. Too much pitch-change in the middle of words sounds like whining and that's the only real negative thing I can come up with, concerning voices.All aspie(ish) people I've met have been asked about their "accents" some time
.So if you don't sound like your peers then it might be an aspie thing, and if you do sound like your peers then it's "normal" and you don't need to change it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/creaky-voice-yet-another-example-of-young-womens-linguistic-ingenuity/267046/ wrote:
It's no surprise that Garfield, a member of the silver-haired commentariat, thinks vocal fry is an abomination. As Slate's Amanda Hess points out, in his mind its spread signals the "downfall of his own mode of communication" and suggests that "young women may not be forced to carefully modify totally benign aspects of their behavior in order to be heard." But this dynamic is by no means new. In large part, the story of language is one of the dominant political group trying to fix the linguistic code in place, and those below them pushing and pulling it loose. Unlike in economics, however, the 99 percent always wins.
hmmm I don't know....I don't think I sound quite like my peers but not incredibly different either. People have pointed out random things about my voice (too much enunciation, odd rhythm ect) and asked if I had an accent occasionally over the years so I'm guessing it sounds a bit odd. It's not REALLY odd though. Prosody was never mentioned in my neuro-psych reports as a kid which DId mention things like my not taking turns in conversations ect. I was diagnosed when I was in grade 8 so I've been in the system for a long time. I am insecure as well. My mum sometimes tells me to stop whining but I might actually be whining and just not realize it. I'm not sure.
Interesting articles though. My prof must have been using old material that she had taught in previous years since she referred to up-talk as being a young girl thing and didn't mention vocal-fry.
You don't have to worry about it anyway. If you're going to do such a big effort as changing your entire way of speaking, it better be worth it and I don't know if it is. You'd need a trained vocal coach to show you how. I doubt there's anything that needs changing in the first place.
And the whining could be about the subject matter (fairly or not) and not the voice.
Thanks Anomiel. I listened to an old youtube video I made (2 years ago) and I sound awful in it though. It's crappy quality and volume. I'm going to re-record one tomorrow. My mum's sleeping so I can't do it now...I'd wake her up. but still, here it is....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toaIg3tbY8w[/youtube]
Your voice is very pleasant
It doesn't sound "insecure" as much as "gentle". I think traditional up-talk has a more aggressive commanding tone in addition to going up, which is what makes it come of as a question or asking something of someone.
Thinking about it some more I guess my voice is sing-songy too (though I actually sing things I say on and off but that is reserved to when I'm with close relatives
)
Intonation is a bit of a special interest for me (ever since I was a kid and suddenly heard every girl in my peergroup change the way they spoke and was bewildered) but it took some time to remember what I know.
I've started using up-talk on purpose sometimes since I saw a lecture where the prof used it to see if everyone was following what she said and I thought it was very effective tool to use in communication (since my basic mode of communication is lecturing
)
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27 Apr 2013, 1:28 pm
Valkyrie2012 wrote:
I go up "octaves" as my boyfriend puts it... and also talk by making a lot of sounds to fill in spots that take words I don't have in the moment.
I do the filler sounds to and draw out my sentences. I say but or um or make a noise and stop for a while. My mum says this gives me an odd rhythm to my speech and it drives her nuts.
Slow processing speed I guess.
