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07 Mar 2016, 1:30 pm

Does anyone know or have opinions on why people generally don't like things being paid for? Let me explain... If two people are at a drinks machine or bar, one might say to the other that they'll "get this round", and that's usually accepted. If two people are eating, or going to a concert, cinema, theme park ride, ferry crossing, whatever, and one person said to the other that this one's "on them", I think this is generally rejected (outside of dating).

Is it sheerly the amount of money, issues with comparative financial wealth,or is it the perceived social worth of goods/services being purchased? Do people feel that their company is being bought? Do they feel belittled or patronised?



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07 Mar 2016, 2:20 pm

^That's an interesting consideration. I feel like money is actually worthless, myself.


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07 Mar 2016, 2:26 pm

For me, it's about ability to pay back.

I don't even like someone saying "I'll get this round" to me, because I drink Coke or Pepsi. I then feel a commitment to return the "I'll get this round" and know I'm probably going to end up spending more money buying someone else's drink. It'll remain constantly unequal!

If someone's saying "I'll get this" for something bigger like the cinema, a concert or a theme park then there is no chance at all that I'll get to pay that back the same night. I can't say "sure, you get this ticket and I'll get the next one", because it's unlikely we'd be watching two films in a row or one concert after another. So I end up in debt for longer (or vice versa) and it hangs over me, because I know I need/want to make things equal again but then I have to commit to another cinema visit/concert to do that.

At least when it's just a drink, though I'll probably lose out financially, I can get everything back to equality by the time we leave the pub!



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07 Mar 2016, 5:03 pm

ArielsSong wrote:
So I end up in debt


Is that it then? People don't want to owe other people anything, because that would mean other people have some power over them?



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07 Mar 2016, 5:08 pm

MisterSpock wrote:
ArielsSong wrote:
So I end up in debt


Is that it then? People don't want to owe other people anything, because that would mean other people have some power over them?


Perhaps. With me I'm not sure if it's feeling like someone has power over me. More like, I feel guilty if I owe the money. I feel like I've stolen it. The same as, say, taking someone's car and then keeping it on my driveway for ages and not giving it back.

But maybe it's all the same...



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07 Mar 2016, 6:19 pm

ArielsSong wrote:
MisterSpock wrote:
ArielsSong wrote:
So I end up in debt


Is that it then? People don't want to owe other people anything, because that would mean other people have some power over them?


Perhaps. With me I'm not sure if it's feeling like someone has power over me. More like, I feel guilty if I owe the money. I feel like I've stolen it. The same as, say, taking someone's car and then keeping it on my driveway for ages and not giving it back.

But maybe it's all the same...


I thought you only owe someone money if you borrow it, or if they borrow it to you in the form of covering a ticket or whatever till you can pay them back. I never got the impression you owe someone money if they pay for a drink, meal, movie or whatever unless the agreement is to pay them back otherwise I think that implies its more of a gift than loan. I know I don't expect money back if I get something for someone without specifying such a condition.

I think people should reciprocate...like maybe take that friend to a movie and pay, buy them a drink or arrange to hang out with them sometime, but I think actually paying people money every time they do something like that would be overdoing it.


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07 Mar 2016, 7:44 pm

In my case, I think it's unfair, and I don't want to take advantage of others. I don't really view it as others having power over me.



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07 Mar 2016, 7:50 pm

If you met somebody born during the Depression in the 1930's, they would feel insulted if somebody would deign to pay for them.

It's a pride thing.

It's also a "not wanting to be indebted to that person" thing as well.



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07 Mar 2016, 11:11 pm

It seems most people have mixed feelings about favors. I'm in this camp.

The below is something I've written on it before.

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When someone does something nice for someone else, the beneficiary often feels obligated to repay the favor in some way. If the benefactor insists that the favor does not need to be repaid, that does pretty much nothing to reduce the sense of obligation! You don't really have to worry about this with family members and close friends, because you'll be helping each other out all the time, and there's no need to keep score when you feel like it'll even out in the long run. Therefore, this advice applies mostly to casual friends and acquaintances.

From my observations, it seems like the "amount" that someone feels compelled to repay is based on either (a) the beneficiary's perception of how much trouble the favor caused for the benefactor (b) how much trouble it would have caused the beneficiary to do that favor for someone (c) a midpoint between the two. The amount of benefit that the person actually receives isn't necessarily a huge factor.

That means, it's entirely possible for the beneficiary's sense of obligation to exceed the actual benefit of the favor! In that case, the beneficiary dislikes receiving the favor.

Thus, if you try too hard to be nice, you could actually end up annoying someone. They'll have trouble holding it against you, but it could still cause them to dislike you if it's an ongoing problem.

By the way, all this talk of favors applies to both acts of service and material gifts.


I suspect the drink scenario is different because people expect a chance to to reciprocate shortly (and it's an excuse to have more booze!) and the cost usually isn't too large. Everyone involved getting slightly drunk might have something to do with it too.


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19 Mar 2016, 8:27 am

I feel the same way as ArielsSong. If I buy a drink or something for anyone then I always make a point if saying 'this is in return for you doing xyz earlier that was really nice'. That way they feel like the gesture is just me 'repaying' them for something they did for me earlier and don't feel like they owe me anything else.

I don't like feeling indebted to other people and I don't want them to feel like that to me either. I prefer everything to stay equal in the universe!



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19 Mar 2016, 9:03 am

i have always had enough money to do me, and if someone cannot stay hanging around (that i like) because they are broke then i just give them the money to get what they want. i never care about them paying me back.
that may sound nice of me, but on the other hand i would not give them any money if i would suffer in any way because of it, and i am careful to tell them that so as to douse their unfounded "gratitude".

i do not give them money for thanks, i give it to them so they can stay talking to me if they want (more drinks, cab fare home etc).

i do not borrow money from people because i do not trust that it would not be an issue in their heads that i owe them.
when i have borrowed money (due to absolute necessity (like lost wallet and got to get cab home)), then i always tell them i will give them double the amount back, and i do.

some people tell me that i am suffocating their sense of generosity by being overly recompensative, but i prefer them to know that i understand that money means much more to them than to me.