kraftiekortie wrote:
I get what you mean, Beakybird. I've noticed that accent, too. But I find that people in Bayonne speak very much like people from Brooklyn.
But, usually, I find that when people speak of a "Jersey" accent, they tend to refer to the show known as "The Sopranos." The Sopranos were New Jersey residents who spoke in a classic Italian Brooklyn accent.
I find that most people from New Jersey speak with a rather neutral accent. I find Bruce Springsteen speaks pretty "General American" with a "blue-collar" aspect.
The New York City accent underwent an evolution.
Compare Groucho Marx/Al Smith with Woody Allen. The 1890s generation with the 1930's generation.
I find that the "Queens Jewish accent" is different from the "Italian Brooklyn accent."
Most people native to NYC don't say "turlet" (toilet) like Archie bunker did. The don't say "earl" for "oil," either.
It's true that many people automatically think Tony Soprano when thinking NJ accents.
And yes, ethnic origins certainly play a huge role. A Jewish guy from Queens, Borough Park, Bergen County, even Long Island will basically sound the same.
Jersey has three very different sections (perhaps even a fourth), where the culture, accents and everything make it seem like different parts of the country altogether. North Jersey is basically just a NY suburb. This ends around the Raritan River, where the central NJ/Jersey Shore starts. These are typical "ocean" people and they have the accent you are referring to (Springsteen is from Asbury Park I think). They actually tend to over enunciate to me. Once you get past Seaside/Berkley Twp, it starts to become the "pineys" who are some very, very redneck people. The part around Trenton is really just a Philly extension, and may be a fourth category. But most people look at it as North, Central and South that I've talked to. I once got the whole hour long run down from a life-long NJ resident I worked with. They were very 'I love NJ' type.
I've never heard people speaking like "turlet (toilet)" or "earl (oil)". It's more like watuh, cawfee, etc. The "R"s either disappear or sort of become a short "a" sound. "Often" becomes "offen" and generally the way words are spoken trend toward monosyllabic.