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04 Nov 2018, 3:01 am

I'm not new here, but I lurk and I'm posting in this forum since it's not public. I'm diagnosed HFA/Aspgers. I was diagnosed later in life and I've noticed that the older I get the fewer friends I have and the less I find I want to put myself out there to find more. It's like I've grown tired of dealing with neurotypical/allistic drama now that I have a diagnosis and know I'm on the spectrum. However, at the same time, I sorta like hyperfocusing on new people and learning about them (which may be a reason I don't make more friends, I've grown rather afraid of being too much for people).

It doesn't help that I am not at all a top-of-the-bell-curve type human to begin with. I've been wanting to connect with more aspies, but when I did try a bit ago it ended in a complete fiasco as the person I tried to befriend turned out to be a complete dudebro and I had to cut him out of my life for my own peace of mind. There are some people I would like to befriend, but I'm not sure how to go about it anymore, adult friendships don't seem to follow sensible rules. I generally get along better with guys than women, but with guys it's always uncertain if they will want more than I can give (being married and in a poly relationship). I don't want to ever give the impression I'm leading someone on.

So I guess the whole point is how would someone go about meeting compatible autistic peers beyond awkwardly posting someplace like this?



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04 Nov 2018, 8:05 am

What do you want in a friend?



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04 Nov 2018, 12:10 pm

Are there any support groups for autistics within a reasonable distance from where you live?


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04 Nov 2018, 12:41 pm

I would guess what most people want, like interests, sharing experiences, giving each other attention and support? I mean I have friends, I've just watched as I've gotten older and the real ones, the ones I can depend on, seem to be dwindling. I've also found that I'm tired of the social lies and contrived scripts needed to appear "normal." The nicest thing about the time I had a friend clearly on the spectrum like me was that we didn't bother with scripts, we were just us in all our autistic weirdness and it was a good thing. We happily dumped time and hyperfocus on each other and it was nice until I realized there were basic issues that made it impossible for me to continue being friends (not aspie issues, personality ones).

My psychiatrist suggested meet up groups locally, but there aren't any in my area for adults on the spectrum. That and with my social anxiety, going to a thing like that without knowing anyone would be difficult (not impossible). They also suggested online groups, so I found this place and posted some and then lurked some and am now posting again, but that just gives a general public connection.

When you are a kid, you just go, "Hey, will you be my friend?" but that's sort of frowned upon once you are an adult. As an adult are supposed to dance around it like some kind of weird bird mating ritual which I find silly.



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04 Nov 2018, 12:57 pm

Well if you want people who don't follow a script or dance around you've come to the right place, but I am curious.

You said you were in a polygamist relationship (That's what "poly" means right?). Are you friends with any of your sister wives?



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04 Nov 2018, 1:34 pm

Arevelion wrote:
Well if you want people who don't follow a script or dance around you've come to the right place, but I am curious.

You said you were in a polygamist relationship (That's what "poly" means right?). Are you friends with any of your sister wives?


*giggles* Sorry.... poly is short for polyamory, not polygamy. It's not like those stupid reality TV shows. I am married and I also have a boyfriend and girlfriend (a couple) who live in another state. I visit them when I can. I've been married for 18 years and with my boyfriend for almost 8. Our girlfriend joined us this year. My husband is friends with my boyfriend and vice versa, but he isn't in any sort of relationship with him or my girlfriend. I'm happy to discuss any of it if you are curious, but it might not be appropriate for this thread? Although I supposed it is in a way because it's one more of the odd things that make friendships weird.



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04 Nov 2018, 2:17 pm

(shrugs) We can talk about whatever. But it's funny you asked about friends cause it sounds like you could teach me a thing or two about being social. That said, I am married and monogamous.

Do you have any kids? I have a son.



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04 Nov 2018, 2:23 pm

I have two boys, 14 and 11. The younger one diagnosed on the spectrum, which is what prompted me to get my diagnosis, and the older one undiagnosed by his choice, but definitely broader autism phenotype. How old is your son?



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04 Nov 2018, 2:36 pm

Hello. Am I correct in interpreting what you wrote to mean that rather than wanting more friends, period, you want to meet friends that are ND rather than NT?

Other than my wife, I haven't had someone I'd call a true continuous friend in 17 years. I'm fine with that. I'm a bit older than you are.

I feel as Arevelion does; it sounds like you have friends.

I agree with you that NT adult friendships are hard to figure out how to start them. Life would be easier if adults, like kids, started off with: "Let's be friends." And establish parameters at the outset to be modified if and when the two see fit. Obviously NTs do NOT operate that way.....



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04 Nov 2018, 2:41 pm

Oh so your boys are coming along in life. Good for your older son for not letting a potential disability define him. It's not the route I took, but still it's cool of him. My son is only 3 months old. He's kooing and giggling as we speak. It's too early to tell, but I suspect he's NT, even though both me and my wife have autism spectrum disorders. It makes me nervous. He may very well end up running circles around us.



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04 Nov 2018, 2:49 pm

puzzledoll wrote:
I'm not new here, but I lurk and I'm posting in this forum since it's not public. I'm diagnosed HFA/Aspgers. I was diagnosed later in life and I've noticed that the older I get the fewer friends I have and the less I find I want to put myself out there to find more. It's like I've grown tired of dealing with neurotypical/allistic drama now that I have a diagnosis and know I'm on the spectrum. However, at the same time, I sorta like hyperfocusing on new people and learning about them (which may be a reason I don't make more friends, I've grown rather afraid of being too much for people).

It doesn't help that I am not at all a top-of-the-bell-curve type human to begin with. I've been wanting to connect with more aspies, but when I did try a bit ago it ended in a complete fiasco as the person I tried to befriend turned out to be a complete dudebro and I had to cut him out of my life for my own peace of mind. There are some people I would like to befriend, but I'm not sure how to go about it anymore, adult friendships don't seem to follow sensible rules. I generally get along better with guys than women, but with guys it's always uncertain if they will want more than I can give (being married and in a poly relationship). I don't want to ever give the impression I'm leading someone on.

So I guess the whole point is how would someone go about meeting compatible autistic peers beyond awkwardly posting someplace like this?


I don't think this place really works for that. In general I have had better luck with NT's although it's been rare and counterintuitive. My impression of the subject mirrors yours and I'm over 20 years older than you are--i.e., I wouldn't predict you'll find a real solution all that soon.

My suggestion about the guys and the ambiguity is, have you considered the gay guys? There aren't any sexual undertones there, right? I can relate to you getting along with women better than men. Sometimes I have that experience in reverse (I'm a guy). Ironically I have some decent lesbian acquaintances, so I've also tried my suggested solution in reverse. I've been married a long time, too.

It's hardly unusual to have PTSD around the friend issue, especially as we get older. I guess in my case I just reached a point where I decided to swear off "self-improvement" projects, like an alcoholic swears off booze. What I mean by that is I won't touch a self-help book with a ten foot pole--been there, done that a thousand times, and it doesn't work for Aspies. I'm sure it works just fine for the authors of such books. One psych guy who I think has a realistic outlook about all of this is Australia's Tony Attwood. If you listen to a few of his talks, you'll be certain he watched you grow up.



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04 Nov 2018, 3:33 pm

Magna wrote:
Hello. Am I correct in interpreting what you wrote to mean that rather than wanting more friends, period, you want to meet friends that are ND rather than NT?

Other than my wife, I haven't had someone I'd call a true continuous friend in 17 years. I'm fine with that. I'm a bit older than you are.

I feel as Arevelion does; it sounds like you have friends.

I agree with you that NT adult friendships are hard to figure out how to start them. Life would be easier if adults, like kids, started off with: "Let's be friends." And establish parameters at the outset to be modified if and when the two see fit. Obviously NTs do NOT operate that way.....


Yes, I am trying to figure out how to meet friends in general as a middle aged adult, but more specifically people who are also on the spectrum. Yes, I do have some friends, but as I've grown older I've found I've lost many to attrition (realizing they are toxic, moving, changing interests, etc...) and I don't seem to have the skill set to make close connections that I did when things were at the, "Hey do you want to be my friend?" level of social skills.



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04 Nov 2018, 3:36 pm

Arevelion wrote:
Oh so your boys are coming along in life. Good for your older son for not letting a potential disability define him. It's not the route I took, but still it's cool of him. My son is only 3 months old. He's kooing and giggling as we speak. It's too early to tell, but I suspect he's NT, even though both me and my wife have autism spectrum disorders. It makes me nervous. He may very well end up running circles around us.


He will whether he is NT or not! Trust me on that one... I've worked with kids most of my life. Three months is a super cute age though! As for my older son, it's less about not letting it define him and more about not giving a rat's ass one way or the other (a rather distinctly autistic thing on his part I'd say).



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04 Nov 2018, 3:40 pm

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I don't think this place really works for that. In general I have had better luck with NT's although it's been rare and counterintuitive. My impression of the subject mirrors yours and I'm over 20 years older than you are--i.e., I wouldn't predict you'll find a real solution all that soon.

My suggestion about the guys and the ambiguity is, have you considered the gay guys? There aren't any sexual undertones there, right? I can relate to you getting along with women better than men. Sometimes I have that experience in reverse (I'm a guy). Ironically I have some decent lesbian acquaintances, so I've also tried my suggested solution in reverse. I've been married a long time, too.

It's hardly unusual to have PTSD around the friend issue, especially as we get older. I guess in my case I just reached a point where I decided to swear off "self-improvement" projects, like an alcoholic swears off booze. What I mean by that is I won't touch a self-help book with a ten foot pole--been there, done that a thousand times, and it doesn't work for Aspies. I'm sure it works just fine for the authors of such books. One psych guy who I think has a realistic outlook about all of this is Australia's Tony Attwood. If you listen to a few of his talks, you'll be certain he watched you grow up.


I actually do not and never have gotten along better with women than men. I find them much more difficult to understand and deal with. I much prefer male friends and have had several friends who were lgbtq over the years. I haven't watched any Tony Attwood but I think I might have read something by him once.



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05 Nov 2018, 5:59 am

puzzledoll wrote:
Arevelion wrote:
Oh so your boys are coming along in life. Good for your older son for not letting a potential disability define him. It's not the route I took, but still it's cool of him. My son is only 3 months old. He's kooing and giggling as we speak. It's too early to tell, but I suspect he's NT, even though both me and my wife have autism spectrum disorders. It makes me nervous. He may very well end up running circles around us.


He will whether he is NT or not! Trust me on that one... I've worked with kids most of my life. Three months is a super cute age though! As for my older son, it's less about not letting it define him and more about not giving a rat's ass one way or the other (a rather distinctly autistic thing on his part I'd say).


Well maybe your son has got this autism thing better figured out better than I do. I'm still trying to understand it. So you worked with kids huh? Are you a teacher?



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05 Nov 2018, 11:00 am

I’ll talk to you if you want to. I literally have 0 friends lol.

I’m in my early 20s no kids