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Not all NTs are "all that" as u guys think, they have their social issues to but less. their are NTs that are mean, but lotsa of nice NTs aswell. in high school i fell into the clique with the average NTs, who are not so mean, and who i can relate to alot. the thing is im just more nice than them, and not so naive.

I agree. NTs aren't all the same - we're not all shallow, caring only about popularity and shunning those who are different. I'm not like that, and I don't associate with people who are like that. Yes, a lot of NTs are materialistic and two-faced but I wouldn't say the majority are. To say "Typical NT" when someone does you wrong is incorrect. There's a huge variety of NT behaviors and characteristics, and to stab someone in the back is and should not be "typical NT behavior".

Yes, and like aspies NTs do make mistakes that u can laugh at! ppl here just think their all that, and perfect and mean, when their truely not

Oh wow, what thread is this, there's no disagreement!

I agree with you both

I agree, people have problems, no matter who it is, and someone is bound to accept you.

There is no NT, just people who are not yet diagnosed with psychopathy, schizophrenia, anti-social disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, etc.

I have spent way too long studying people, documenting their behaviors, taking notes of social hierarchies, self-esteem, delusions, personal realities. I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have never met these mythical Neuro-Typical types that are so frequently spoken of on the forum. They are a myth, a rhetoric, an idealism, a generalization, a form of bigotry, a way to alienate everyone and segregate yourself from everyone else.

To be more accurate, it would be better to use NOS - Not Otherwise Specified, which is in the literature, although I've never seen it related to the general public. It is mainly a safety net for poor psychiatrists who may have misdiagnosed people.

I kind of object this view. Because NTs are UNRELIABLE in general. the aggressive ones are bluntly being as*hole or jerk to you right in your face. the caring ones are the ones who could back-stab constantly if given opportunity or talk bad about you behind your back. and the cool guy who seems to be accepting of everyone? that person is actually a criminal who could cheat the most trusted person anytime for his selfish needs.(psychopath)

Either you have to deal with all the BS they give you in your life or try to lead a lonely existence.

My experience suggests that Aspies can be exactly this way as well. There seems to be this myth out there that all Aspies are universally virtuous, when in fact they can be just as back-stabbing and devious as any NT. I'm learning this the hard way.

The only problems I have with some NTs are due primarily to my condition and the way it often mis-communicates my thoughts/feelings to others. I am convinced that if there was a greater understanding/awareness of adults with AS, many/most NTs would be really tolerant and accepting of it...

Everyone operates out of self-interest, but the claim above reads a lot like "neurotypicals" act out of self-interest through the expense of others whenever possible. This seems to be an extraordinary claim.

People are people, all with many facets.

I think truly selfless people are exceedingly rare. I don't think many people would help others before helping themselves. (This is not a bad thing, though, because just like how you're supposed to put your own oxygen mask on before assisting others, it's best to help yourself before helping others.)

I agree with AngelKnight, that people act out of self-interest. However, I don't think very many NTs go out of their way to deliberately hurt other people. I think a few do, and a few hurt others unintentionally, but not most and certainly not all people do that.

staralfurious, your post is just a huge generalization. There are bad NTs. There are bad people with AS too. It depends on the person. Being NT doesn't make someone a criminal or a jerk.

I agree that some NTs arent all that bad but some NTs are just plain cold hearted, mean and just plain nasty. I really dont like NTs period and never wish to be friends with any NT ever again after all the trouble Ive been going through for years with NT friends and how they misunderstand me and how judgemental they are they dont except me for who I am and go out of their way to change me for their own purpose and not take me for me. I got told to Harden the beep up all the time and told by a NT that if I talk about boundries or talk about aspergers syndrome they would belt me up. Where do you find NT friends who fully understand me for me and not quick to ridicule me for my actions and behaviours and just me for being me I havent met a NT person yet who is like that. nd NT friends who fully understand me for me and not quick to ridicule me for my actions and behaviours and just me for being me I havent met a NT person yet who is like that.

I think everybody has bit of selfless quality to them. But Unlike NTs, Aspies would most likely not cause troubles or harm anyone intently unless they are manipulated or forced Because they are rational and logical people. and I am talking about the ones with real ASD. because there are so many people who claim that they are Aspies but actually they are not. Just because you are socially excluded a lot, doesn't mean you are an aspie. Just because you lack in social skills, doesn't mean you are an aspie. What I am saying is I consider Aspies to be rational people and Many of them have many selfless qualities.
Many individuals who have been acknowledged for centuries for exhibiting ASD traits have created amazing pieces of Classical Music and came up with scientific theories like Albert Einstein, Wouldn't you agree that these individuals have dedicated their lifetime creating and discovering these remarkable inventions and theories? I believe that it takes an selfless individual to be able to dedicate their personal time for these types of causes. While I agree with you that there are quite high number of dysfunctional aspies as well as NTs with their issues. I believe it's safe to assume that most aspies at least the ones that fit into the general description of classic ASD traits would be rational human beings who do try to minimise the social baggage or other types of dramas that NTs typically indulge in constantly. Because trying to avoid those social baggage or dramas in NT world would be one obvious reason for choosing solitary activities in the first place. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule but I am talking about in general sense on here. Without making any generalisation, it's nearly impossible to reach or draw any conclusion from any arguments.

agree 100%.

i disagree on how many aspies use the label NT (and all of the connotations that come with it).

Same here. I see ASD as being on a spectrum with NTs rather than as a separate entity. I say this as an individual who feels she is not fully on the spectrum but sometimes not at the level of some NTs. As well. I meet tons of people who have strong AS traits but who would not qualify for a diagnosis.

I also see neurotypicals as being on a spectrum of their own, as there tends to be categories of NTs that are less likely to respond well to human variety and difference. There are people in this category who tend to patronize anyone who isn't like them (despite often being nice and having good intentions) and this is what many of you here would classify as NT, especially when people are making very generalized assumptions (i,e, NTs are stupid, NTs are hypocrites, etc.).

Because of our often black and white thinking, we often don't see the people who may not be AS, but are more likely to like people with it. These people may often be in ostracised groups themselves, or have traits we identify with. For example, I tend to get along well with people who I can relate to intellectually and who like to explore ideas. It is all about the content of your interactions that determines how well you will mesh with certian types of NTs.

everyone should keep in mind that we ALL have problems, nt or as

even nts can have anger anxiety paranoia shyness and social difficulty

Agree Agree Agree, therefore my advice to Aspies is that concentrate on your job which should be your special interest and have very few trusted NTs, if at all, as your friend. I have few such NTs who respect me for my intellect. Ancient Indian philosopher Chanakya said that" There is some self-interest behind every friendship. There is no friendship without self-interests. This is a bitter truth."
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/autho ... nakya.html
I believe that an Aspie with average I.Q. cannot have genuine NT friends and it is even rare for an intelligent Aspie.