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01 Nov 2005, 9:37 am

http://www.spp.gov/spp/prosperity_agend ... ity_agenda

Already hundreds of Mexican-Canadian-American groups have been formulated since this initiative has come up. I've heard that alot of people are concerned in particular about how this will relate to border crossing, as the outline says itself "alleviating bottlenecks at the border that inhibit growth". Will it become easy for inter-travel between the three countries, essentially creating a North American border instead?



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02 Nov 2005, 1:33 am

We had a freer travel policy between Mexico and Canada that was even in the early 1900's. This something that does and sould be looked at, as long it is legal travel between the three countries. Trade is though very important here in North America, this could bring three countries more closer together in a governmental and policy roles closer for each country.


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02 Nov 2005, 3:19 am

This is even more ret*d the illegal alien amnesty bill that was aborted several months ago because of terror concerns. Now they want to completely open up the borders to regions where a State Department warning is in effect because drug cartels are waging gorilla wars against each other, the law enforcment agencies are on the cartels payrolls, they've kidnapped American citizens, and thier military is to weak to stop it. Our Border Patrol can stop alot of the warfare from spilling over here, but without them, there is nothing from stopping all of that from spreading. I wouldn't think of supporting such a treaty for the free travel part until Bush had the military's special ops and CIA paramilitary units exterminate those ratholes! :x

For the financial and trade part, trying to improve standards of living and improving public health is just a euphamism for sending more American industries into Mexico at the expense of American jobs, and letting Mexicans have most of the remainig jobs left in America. I'm not exactly sure what Canada would expect to gain from all this, but my first guess is they are just looking for another handout from America just like every other country in the world does at every opportunity they can get. :evil:



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02 Nov 2005, 3:56 am

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The American Economy is always transforming itself. The uneployment figures are at 4.0% this month. The U.S. GDP is 11.75 trillion dollars with a growth rate for this year of 3.8%. So how is this going to hurt America. America makes up 20% of the GWP.


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02 Nov 2005, 4:27 am

kevv729 wrote:
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The American Economy is always transforming itself. The uneployment figures are at 4.0% this month. The U.S. GDP is 11.75 trillion dollars with a growth rate for this year of 3.8%. So how is this going to hurt America. America makes up 20% of the GWP.

When we get unemployment down to 0% we can afford to send jobs elsewhere. The only reson I'd favor letting the jobs go then is because an inability to fill those jobs would create a shortage of some goods and services whch would make inflation surge and cause the economy to crash. Until then, we can't be wrrying about the rest of the world's problems until the elected officials have fulfilled the needs of their constituents, who are the only people they took an oath of office to look after. Right now, if 1 in 25 still need a job, then those elected officials still have work to do.



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02 Nov 2005, 9:47 am

I can't be sure about this 100% due to the source I got it from, but isn't an initiative of this act concerning pre-existing mexican workers in the us to become legal? do you guys know anything like that?

in australia we always had passportless travel to new zealand but i think that's been changed now, not sure as we were going to go on holidays. it's a lot easier guarding the borders of a big island though.



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02 Nov 2005, 10:15 am

I never saw anything about Mexicans workers in the site you listed.

We all saw had passportless borders with Mexico and Canada but sice Apirl 2005 this has been changed. Apart of new security measures between the three countries.


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02 Nov 2005, 12:40 pm

As I said, the Mexican illegal workers thing isn't "official" in any way that I know of, except if you accept a loose translation of the terms. That's why I said it's not 100% as I know some weird people who know some weird stuff ;) The only reason I listen to them is that they're right most of the time.