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(Quote from Wikipedia on Nu-Metal and influences)

Well, I personally think concerning Nu-Metal and this dreadful New Wave Emo music is that they take so amazing ideas from fantastic groups- like Gang Of Four and Joydivision then make a bastard version that is neigh unlistenable.
I just hate the way they convey their 'teen angst' and tackle 'troubling' issues as I often think they sensationalise the negative asspects of being a teeenager. Those who know me may say ''Hey you listen to Morrissey, Joydivision etc...'' but in these artists I have the impression that there is a great deal of hope and not being miserable and angry because it's expected of you- but because they are actually unhappy. At least in these indie/post-punk groups there is irony, and humour (not so much Joydivision, but hell there needs to be an exception.)
Nu-Metal artists just seem to take their plight too seriously.

Yeah, but not everyone gives a s**t about the lyrics anyway. The angst theme often works well with those bands. Different things work better for different bands. But I don't judge bands I don't completely understand. I could say the same about your bands but I'm not going to, I respect all of it really. I happen to actually like a lot of nu-metal bands, they often have a good sound combined with heavyness, I generally find tradional heavy metal boring (with some exceptions), I like stuff that's heavy in some lateral way or another ie. on the more interesting end of the uninteresting genre.

I often feel that a lot of anti-nu-metallers take it too far and practice the same kind of ignorance they preach against. Like I'll pick up a metal magazine, and read some slagging off as they're way of disassociating themselves from the genre, and I'm like "I get the f*****g point, it's not metal but then again so aren't a lot of things, just like pop-punk isn't punk, so what, all of it should be respected for what it is otherwise you're preaching the same hatred and ignorance you preach against". I think it's good that as well as punk and metal we have these grey areas, they make the music world an interesting place. I'll admit some bands are unarguably s**t, like Drowning Pool, and Limp Bizkit is horribly overrated, but on the other hand many other bands I can find quite good if I give them a chance.

Still, Sum41, the anti-numetal band, I really don't have anything against because they don't take it too far, even though I'm not a fan of the band's music. As they put it "I wouldn't call Linkin Park nu-metal though. They're just a heavy rock band". I can at least respect those guys opinion on this.

To put a long story short, you don't like nu-metal, fair enough, but don't call yourself open minded if you put down the bands and those fans because you're not.

BTW, what many of you people find unlisteninable, I'm able to listen to with ease. I like really complicated music.

what about goregrind?

But I have considered Nu-Metal I listened to Linkin Park, Korn, Marilyn Manson and other such groups. It's just certain ideals I am opposed to- which often are displayed by the fans of genre not the groups. I will state however I am always willing to hear about certain genres from their fans and learn about it, but some just adhere to strict stereotyped behaviour and come across as clones. Though this can be true for any genre.

Believe me, every genre has it's stereotypes. Some are just more noticable for some genres than others.

That is true.

See, I've talked about my tastes before and I love dark stuff - whether it's paranoid and dysphoric, whether it's just moody, but mostly I love stuff tht kicks hard and has a tough emotionality about it.

As for the stuff my name evolves arround, it (jungle) is one of those genres that 9 out of 10 people here have no idea on because while it's got all the best elements of metal, techno, raggae, hip-hop, jazz, and while it's really intense stuff that really makes you feel when done right, it falls to that bias of "Oh, it's electronic music - if it ain't played on accoustic or live instruments its not legit". There's lots of other things that I think people really haven't been exposed to, if they have it's been the shwaggy commercial version of it, and conseqently they have no idea what the real music is they say they aren't feeling.

I don't mind people talking about metal, I was hooked on metal and industrial from late gradeschool through highschool and I thought it was the only thing I'd ever be into - funny how getting exposed to new sounds I hadn't previously been aware of changed all that. I have to agree though that other things need to be discussed. Then again I can't blame the metalheads for talking metal, I guess I'd just blame the other people for holding up the wall and biting their lip on their style of music.

Maybe we should have some kind of music-taste-appreciation thread where each person picks 10 real-audio links to stuff they feel defines their tastes? That, at least would help get some diversity and actually lend a bit of substance to it.

My brother listened to alot of jungle and rave in the 90's. I used to listen to all sorts of genres on John Peel. Every thing from Japanese cyber metal to Happy Hardcore.