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04 Nov 2012, 7:06 am

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I will be done with this thread as long as you don't insult me. If you insults me I will be back. Please be nice.


You are the one who started throwing insults in L&D. You are also the one you started the insults and trolling in this thread.

Don't insult people in the first place and then they won't have a reason to insult you.

Frankly, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been reported to the mods for insults and trolling yet.


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04 Nov 2012, 10:59 am

Kjas wrote:
billiscool wrote:
I will be done with this thread as long as you don't insult me. If you insults me I will be back. Please be nice.


You are the one who started throwing insults in L&D. You are also the one you started the insults and trolling in this thread.

Don't insult people in the first place and then they won't have a reason to insult you.

Frankly, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been reported to the mods for insults and trolling yet.

wrong. I think you are cool. I hope you have a good day.



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04 Nov 2012, 3:06 pm

ok. so why is it ok for a woman to openly admit to having sex with both gender and not calls herself Bisexual
but if a republican christians male get caught having sex with a man but call himself straight, people will get
upset and tell him to admit that he is gay.
If women have the right not to label themself as bi for sleeping with both gender.
Then all these republican men who had gay sex have the right too not to label themself as gay or bi,right?



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05 Nov 2012, 7:22 am

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First, it is plausible for someone to feel the pleasurable sensations of sex without being attracted to his partner. So these people would be having sex just for the sake of it, as he mentioned.


In which case the gender of their partner is fairly immaterial. Without interest in the other person, this is essentially just masturbation. Or prostitution, perhaps, if the attraction is to something more pragmatic...

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Second, on the labeling thing, do you claim to know someone better than he knows himself?


If a hypochondriac visits the doctor, which of them has the better diagnosis?

It has been my experience that most people are idiots. Many of them don't know this for that very reason.

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And even if that was true, which I doubt, is it your call to say they are wrong in the way they see themselves?


Everyone is entitled to an opinion, huh? See above re: idiots.
In this case, I'm not concerned about them calling themselves straight. They can call themselves Penelope Pitstop for all I care. It's the underlying homophobia that concerns me - which isn't healthy for them or those around them. Rather than dressing the issue up in euphemisms and semantics, it would be better to face it for what it is.



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05 Nov 2012, 8:01 am

billiscool wrote:
ok. so why is it ok for a woman to openly admit to having sex with both gender and not calls herself Bisexual
but if a republican christians male get caught having sex with a man but call himself straight, people will get
upset and tell him to admit that he is gay.
If women have the right not to label themself as bi for sleeping with both gender.
Then all these republican men who had gay sex have the right too not to label themself as gay or bi,right?


Actually, yes, they do.

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Shatbat wrote:
First, it is plausible for someone to feel the pleasurable sensations of sex without being attracted to his partner. So these people would be having sex just for the sake of it, as he mentioned.


In which case the gender of their partner is fairly immaterial. Without interest in the other person, this is essentially just masturbation. Or prostitution, perhaps, if the attraction is to something more pragmatic...


Yes, indeed.
Look at this:
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In many cases of MSM they aren't even sexually attracted to males. If you showed them erotic pictures of men it would not do a thing for them. These are typically older men, usually married, looking for a sexual partner who is available, low maintenance, and will keep quiet about everything, and another straight man meets their needs much easier than a woman would. The mindset of these people is basically that a blowjob is just a blowjob, a hole is just a hole, and they care more about convenience and availability.

I wouldn't think of someone as gay if he has sex with other men for the reasons you mentioned, rather than because he feels attracted to them.

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Second, on the labeling thing, do you claim to know someone better than he knows himself?


If a hypochondriac visits the doctor, which of them has the better diagnosis?

It has been my experience that most people are idiots. Many of them don't know this for that very reason.


I had this possibility in mind. But doctors have studied for years to know what they know, which makes them qualified to pass judgement on their patient's health, and that after putting them through tests and observing them while knowing what to look for. On being gay or not, a layman usually wouldn't know enough about a person to brazenly pass off judgement on their sexual orientation, judgement that is uncalled for as opposed to doctors, who are actually paid for it.

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And even if that was true, which I doubt, is it your call to say they are wrong in the way they see themselves?


Everyone is entitled to an opinion, huh? See above re: idiots.
In this case, I'm not concerned about them calling themselves straight. They can call themselves Penelope Pitstop for all I care. It's the underlying homophobia that concerns me - which isn't healthy for them or those around them. Rather than dressing the issue up in euphemisms and semantics, it would be better to face it for what it is.


I think I'm getting what you mean, We probably got different things in mind. I'm talking mainly about people who, for example, might be straight and have sex with other men for.... masturbatory reasons, and then be labeled as gay even if they really aren't. Or women who might have been curious and get labeled as lesbians or bi. Or worse, they might just have had the thoughts without actually acting on them, which one study I linked for shows it can happen to heterosexual women. Are you talking about people who ARE gay but their homophobia doesn't allow them to accept it, so they rationalize it in whatever way they can? Here the problem isn't really what they call themselves, as you said they can call themselves Penelope Pitstop :lol:. But if they hurt others with their homophobia then yes, we've got a problem there. But telling them theynare gay in their faces wouldn't really do anything.


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05 Nov 2012, 9:14 am

billiscool, this is the second thread I've seen in this forum where you're lecturing people about their own sexuality.
Don't do that, Ok? :wink:


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05 Nov 2012, 8:17 pm

Cornflake wrote:
billiscool, this is the second thread I've seen in this forum where you're lecturing people about their own sexuality.
Don't do that, Ok? :wink:

uh.......ok



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10 Nov 2012, 3:42 am

I dont know about other women, I am sexually attracted to women but there is a very small chance I would end up with another women because of lack of emotional attraction. For women, emotional attraction is a very important component. Or perhaps women could be still adhering to some sorta tradition. Ok they'll sleep with women but in the end they don't want to marry one?



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10 Nov 2012, 11:18 am

If I ever get married, it's going to be to a woman. Which is insanely unlikely unless I live in an area where the gay community is thriving and even then it's a very small portion of the community. I feel doomed in that regard..


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