why is it "LGBT"?

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Then why don't you start the LG or GL movement and go pleasure yourself with a broken glass bottle for all I care. Jesus cross-humping Christ and his pumpkin-sized genital warts, I'm so fracking sick and tired of this BS. And I don't mean gay or lesbian BS, but this aspie BS here. A "community for autism", if that isn't the biggest oxymoron of all times. I'm off to forums where people actually give a damn about these matters and aren't just trying to win a penile measurements contest instead of having a constructive exchange.

Gays and lesbians make up 10% of the population by themselves. Thank you very much.



It's sad that we need to actually remind people of the fact that gay men *did* start this movement. We now need to protect ourselves from other people usurping it. The more the gay element in LGBT+ got pushed back, the more open homophobia has become acceptable again, not just in places like Russia and Uganda but also in western societies.



Dude, you're the only one here insulting others (gays/lesbians, religious people and autistics in one post!) rather than having a constructive exchange.

A community of autistics does not mean that we all agree with you.

The statistics vary but its said homosexuality is prevalent among 1-15% of the population.

Besides, you missed the point. The point was strength in numbers simply...

And even if gays make up 10% of the population, studies have said Asexuals are only 1% while Transsexuals may be 0.5% or less.

Please give me a reason why we cannot support them when they almost always support us on our issues?

It's called looking out for each other, something people who aren't straight or cisgender often do because both transgenders, homosexuals, bisexuals, asexuals, etc. have all known to experience the same thing and would be capable of sympathising with each other.

That's the point of this forum, isn't it?

A community of support and help for others of the same kind.

This entire forum could of merely remained an Aspie chat and support forum, but no.

Wrongplanet has even stated it welcomes people with Aspergers, Autism, ADHD, OCD Neurotypicals, Bipolars, Tourettes, Shizophreniacs, and other individuals with Neuro-Atypical conditions.

ADHD is very un-related to Autism, but this forum welcomes them,.

How is it in any way different that Lesbians and Gays welcome all sexual orientation and gender diverse individuals?

I didn't miss the point. I'm just saying the strength in numbers argument primarily applies to the gender minorities - and the gender minorities want to be named first now??



I don't know where you live, but I have never heard of asexuals standing up for themselves, let alone supporting gay and lesbian rights. I'm encountering more transgender people on this forum than anywhere else. So why not expand the autism movement to include transgender people? Would make as much or more sense. (And, no, this is not a serious proposition.)



Gays and lesbians may look out for any number of other causes, but we don't need to include them into our own civil rights movement and we surely don't need to put them first.

I have the same concerns about the neurodiversity issue, which is a very Anglophone concept that hasn't caught on in continental Europe. It's hard enough to explain autism to people, without bringing in a whole range of unrelated conditions. I have no inherent knowledge of schizophrenia, for example, and there are groups representing such people much better than I ever could, name organizations of users and survivors of psychiatry. I have stopped speaking of NTs for that very reason, even here on this forum, preferring to use autistic and non-autistic instead.

I would like to strongly object to the idea that being gay and being transgender are unrelated. Most people who are transgender have either been perceived as gay at some point in their life or are gay. For example, a straight trans man would have been perceived as a gay woman before transitioning. Including all gender and sexual minorities isn't just about numbers, it is about creation Safe Spaces. The gay rights movement isn't about exclusion, it is about inclusion. It is about making a world where everyone is an ally, and everyone respects everyone else for who they are, without judgement. If we try to subdivide and say only certain people should be part of the gay rights movement, we are being exclusive and thus undermining what we really stand for. Queer communities need to be a model for what we want the world to be, and if we start excluding people we are being a bad model.

People can divide themselves up by whatever specific criteria they choose and any division however small will have specific issues, but it makes sense to me to unify to some extent based on the opposition. They're going to lump us all together, so it makes sense to fight back together. Arguing about who should come first strikes me as silly and immature.

No one else likes QUILTBAG, huh?

I like QUILTBAG

If they are in fact gay, no problem. But gay rights are not about people who are falsely perceived to be gay. In the example you mention, that person never was gay - they just were in the wrong body. Otherwise the movement has to include "feminine"/sensitive straight men who are wrongly perceived as gay, metrosexuals, teenagers who get bullied because they wrongly give off a gay vibe, celibate priests who are under general suspicion of being secretly gay, and so on.



Well, I think that says it all ... Quiltbags of the world unite! Equality for quiltbags! Quiltbag marriage now!

I don't think anyone chants "LGBT marriage now," and the idea was to find a better replacement for that acronym.

I find it a little funny how you seem to have a fair amount of experience with political action, yet still talk about "the movement" as though there was ever any real chance of having one ideologically pure group.

For me it just doesn't make sense to exclude people from the LGBTQ rights movement, and that is partly because for me, this movement is not just about marriage equality and changing laws. It is as much, or more so, about changing people's attitudes and helping them to become more tolerant.

I have spent time in places I consider to be safe spaces. These are places where people can come, whoever they are, and be who they are without being judged so long as they are not judging others. LGBTQ centers strive to be safe places, and I think that is a wonderful, amazing thing and I hope that it will spread to the rest of the world. I have met some great people, from all parts of the gender and sexual spectrum in these LGBTQ safe spaces, and it has made me a better, more tolerant, open-minded person.

THAT is why the LGBTQ rights movement needs to remain inclusive. Because we want the the whole world to become just a little bit more like a safe space, and that is not going to happen if WE do not lead by example.

Only a very tiny percentage of people will ever experience discrimination at the hands of gay men, therefore no one needs to care about them at all.

Ditto <3 QUILTBAG! Very funny!

By the way, I intended this as an ironic response. Reading it again more than 3000 minutes later, I can see that I failed to make that obvious.

Homosexual doesn't have quite the same connotation that gay does. Its very clinical sounding and while its not offensive, opponents of LGBT rights often prefer the term to gay because gay has a more positive connotation.

It had a more positive connotation. There used to be a Gay Street in this town, but they renamed it Bishop Street. Activitists misunderestimate haters.

The acronym I believe is meant to be respectful to the many different ways people view themselves sexually and attempts to be inclusive to different terminology