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Would you want to live as an Archadian citizen?
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21 May 2007, 2:19 am

Some spatial distortion fields can be inactivated, or at least rendered safe, by setting up a counterwave of spatial distortion that cancels out the field. Transmat devices can be used, but open-ended transmats are likely to materialise you into a wall. I think, however, that a pure blast of artron energy, combined with Huon particles, can blow such a field wide open.


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21 May 2007, 2:38 am

Quatermass wrote:
Some spatial distortion fields can be inactivated, or at least rendered safe, by setting up a counterwave of spatial distortion that cancels out the field. Transmat devices can be used, but open-ended transmats are likely to materialise you into a wall. I think, however, that a pure blast of artron energy, combined with Huon particles, can blow such a field wide open.


these ones can't be

and the blasting only works in you knew the original function and frequency of the pulses that produced the distortion and then fire at the appropriate phase shift

there IS another way to protect ships against spacial distortions... long-term exposure to it is known to be damaging to Vulcan brains



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21 May 2007, 2:53 am

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Quatermass wrote:
Some spatial distortion fields can be inactivated, or at least rendered safe, by setting up a counterwave of spatial distortion that cancels out the field. Transmat devices can be used, but open-ended transmats are likely to materialise you into a wall. I think, however, that a pure blast of artron energy, combined with Huon particles, can blow such a field wide open.


these ones can't be

and the blasting only works in you knew the original function and frequency of the pulses that produced the distortion and then fire at the appropriate phase shift

there IS another way to protect ships against spacial distortions... long-term exposure to it is known to be damaging to Vulcan brains


I was thinking in terms of Doctor Who, not Star Trek.....

You don't even know what a transmat is, never mind artron energy and Huon particles....


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21 May 2007, 2:58 pm

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I wouldn't be so sure of that, I can detect your fleet with ease. My destroyers have all been fitted with anti-stealth weaponry, and are extremely fast. Extraction beams fitted to many battleships will tear apart any shields and drain the power of your ships. Advanced target tracking systems will calculate the vectors and course of enemy ships, and fire in no less than 10 estimated paths simultaneously. No fancy evasion can stop that. Drones are extremely fast as well, no ship can flee from swarms of them for long. There are several types, which all have potent weaponry. There are defence drones which act as intelligent cannon fodder, charging at or firing at incoming projectiles and beams. The antimatter ones can destroy huge swarms of missiles.

With ease? Bah, you keep on telling yourself that. Energy extraction beams do not work on shields based upon twisting the energies of the universe to our favor. Fancy and fast can deal with much of that, all that is necessary is unusual flight paths based upon complex algorithms, the multiple paths trick isn't a hard one to do with proper weapon systems as the algorithms required are not hard to do with conventional ships. We have been dealing with groups that have this kind of nuttiness for a while though. Drones? The simple trick is to use area effect weapons, perhaps even multiple, not only that but proper timing strategies can be quite effective against such tools and evasive maneuvers can be very effective against such tools.



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21 May 2007, 3:03 pm

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I'll take it all, except cybernetics. I do not need those. My empire has committed mass suicide, and ascended. All that lives must die.

Mori Es Vivir!

CRUSADE AGAINST THE LIVING!! !

Undeath? Well, lets see, typical undead can be dealt with through proper dimensional shifts to keep them gone. Psionic undead are harder, some disruptions can weaken them, however, psionic death missiles are usually most effective against such enemies. If it is magic, then we might have to figure out some form of life missile to counter it, won't be hard. In truth, the whole ascension thing doesn't appeal to our people much. Although it has some benefits, it also means that population growth no longer occurs in most cases, not only that but long periods of undeath tend to lead to some nasty psychosis which is why the state is usually only sought out by the power-mad, and not most sensible groups.



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21 May 2007, 4:30 pm

I'm building a basic fleet, because basic teleporter tech just doesnt cut it.

My ships will be nuclear powered. And will have a teleporter, and dark energy weapons, as well as tau cannons and headcrab shell cannons.

I have already built my first ship which is my first offensive combat unit in centuries.



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21 May 2007, 4:34 pm

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2 Child limit per family

People may do whatever they like that does not infringe others' freedoms, except if it is terminally harmful to others, society, or their families. This does not include personal dietary habits, no-one gives a toss about that, food is top-class anyway.


a) Haven't you just contradicted yourself?
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b) What do you to the parents of three or more children and the children themselves?

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There are many straight girls, enough for everyone, and plenty of lesbians too.


So you think we're like giftbags to be handed out now? [sarcasm] Oh, that's nice. I'm sure every self-respecting woman will agree with there. [/sarcasm]



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21 May 2007, 4:38 pm

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a) Haven't you just contradicted yourself?
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b) What do you to the parents of three or more children and the children themselves?
Yeah, pretty much, not only that but it also means that negative population growth would only be possible

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So you think we're like giftbags to be handed out now? [sarcasm] Oh, that's nice. I'm sure every self-respecting woman will agree with there. [/sarcasm]

Well, most of the forum is male so the aim is to attract them. The Awesomian empire only gave out free packets of love but no people.



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23 May 2007, 2:34 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
WriterWithoutWords wrote:
a) Haven't you just contradicted yourself?
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b) What do you to the parents of three or more children and the children themselves?
Yeah, pretty much, not only that but it also means that negative population growth would only be possible

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So you think we're like giftbags to be handed out now? [sarcasm] Oh, that's nice. I'm sure every self-respecting woman will agree with there. [/sarcasm]

Well, most of the forum is male so the aim is to attract them. The Awesomian empire only gave out free packets of love but no people.


Wrong, 3 child limit ensures that the population will be continuous. Having a large family is harmful to society. Don't want mobs of families.

And yes, the objective was to attract as many people as possible here.


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23 May 2007, 6:32 pm

Anubis wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
WriterWithoutWords wrote:
a) Haven't you just contradicted yourself?
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b) What do you to the parents of three or more children and the children themselves?
Yeah, pretty much, not only that but it also means that negative population growth would only be possible

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So you think we're like giftbags to be handed out now? [sarcasm] Oh, that's nice. I'm sure every self-respecting woman will agree with there. [/sarcasm]

Well, most of the forum is male so the aim is to attract them. The Awesomian empire only gave out free packets of love but no people.


Wrong, 3 child limit ensures that the population will be continuous. Having a large family is harmful to society. Don't want mobs of families.

And yes, the objective was to attract as many people as possible here.


Again I ask, suppose the 'Two Child Per Family' law is broken. What are you going to do?

Up to what point are you willing to sacrifice the quality of your citizens for quanity?



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23 May 2007, 8:21 pm

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Wrong, 3 child limit ensures that the population will be continuous. Having a large family is harmful to society. Don't want mobs of families.
No, the 2 child limit ensures that it will decline as you have already mentioned the presence of lesbians, who will likely not have children, and there are the people who will remain alone for whatever personal reasons. You are assuming every person will have 2 children, that assumption is likely false in a free society, some families will only have one child, some will marry and never have children, and some people won't marry.

Considering the small population and the multitude of worlds, it really would have probably been beneficial to society to have more people anyway. There are 300 million people in the US alone and enough land available for all of them to be fine. Having like 15 times the land with one third of the people seems more like underpopulation, and that is ignoring the possibility of water cities.



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24 May 2007, 1:49 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
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Wrong, 3 child limit ensures that the population will be continuous. Having a large family is harmful to society. Don't want mobs of families.
No, the 2 child limit ensures that it will decline as you have already mentioned the presence of lesbians, who will likely not have children, and there are the people who will remain alone for whatever personal reasons. You are assuming every person will have 2 children, that assumption is likely false in a free society, some families will only have one child, some will marry and never have children, and some people won't marry.

Considering the small population and the multitude of worlds, it really would have probably been beneficial to society to have more people anyway. There are 300 million people in the US alone and enough land available for all of them to be fine. Having like 15 times the land with one third of the people seems more like underpopulation, and that is ignoring the possibility of water cities.


I agree.



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24 May 2007, 2:32 pm

Would you want to live with a load of people? 100 million population limit is absolutely fine. I'd rather have underpopulation than overpopulation.

If someone breaks the limit, they will be punished economically.


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24 May 2007, 3:01 pm

*visits the Archadian Space Empire*



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24 May 2007, 3:40 pm

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Would you want to live with a load of people? 100 million population limit is absolutely fine. I'd rather have underpopulation than overpopulation.

If someone breaks the limit, they will be punished economically.

You set up a false choice, nobody would want a "load of people", however, the underpopulation of worlds leads to underutilization of available resources and is thus somewhat inefficient to enforce. I would rather have overpopulation because we have space empires here. All that needs to be done to deal with overpopulation is colonization of other worlds, which is a positive in and of itself as it expands the available resources and provides tactical advantages.

They will be fined? Ok, the issue there is how badly they are fined and such.



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24 May 2007, 7:13 pm

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Would you want to live with a load of people? 100 million population limit is absolutely fine. I'd rather have underpopulation than overpopulation.

If someone breaks the limit, they will be punished economically.

You set up a false choice, nobody would want a "load of people", however, the underpopulation of worlds leads to underutilization of available resources and is thus somewhat inefficient to enforce. I would rather have overpopulation because we have space empires here. All that needs to be done to deal with overpopulation is colonization of other worlds, which is a positive in and of itself as it expands the available resources and provides tactical advantages.

They will be fined? Ok, the issue there is how badly they are fined and such.


Other worlds are colonized as they are found if they are uninhabited.

There are 30 populated asteroids and moons, with various population sizes, the largest moons have as many as 1 and a half million citizens.

The death curse was reversed, the empire is now alive again.

The fines are variable, and depend on wealth. All citizens can afford basic amenities.

Screw what I said about population limits, so long as the empire keeps building, there will be no problems with overpopulation. I despise large populations though, and as soon as a planet reached 1 billion citizens, there would be incentive to move to new colonies.

The empire owns one hyper corporation, the Archadia corporation, which is not subsidized, but a profit making entity that focuses on interplanetary trade and transport. It does not get involved in It is still subject to regulations, as are all businesses. Imperial governments work closely with businesses and issue grants for good conduct. Bad conduct results in blacklisting, and in severe cases, intervention. Companies must prove that they have cleaned up their acts to be whitelisted again.

Bad conduct includes-

1.Cartels
2.Unfair monopolies without potential for competition
3.Misinformation and deceit
4.Smear campaigns, slander, libel, fear tactics
5.Substandard products and sheer reprehensible bad quality
6.Poor service and customer abuse
7.Mass redundancy(over 1000 people) without a month's warning
8.Furthering of interests through any illegal acts
9.Nuisance or socially harmful advertising campaigns
10.Employee abuse/oppression
11.Noncompliance with government
12.Promoting or committing any illegal acts

Although some of those sort themselves out, there are some that don't.

Such bad amoral businesses are part of what's wrong with the world, and so are bad governments. The Archadian population are generally well educated and disciplined, and against any underhanded tactics.


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