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21 Jun 2019, 6:28 pm

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I have seen some families where there is a genetic trait of being big boned although diet also plays a role...

I've never understood the concept of "big-boned"-ness. Even if there were such a thing, how could it contribute to an excess of bulk, given that bulk consists of soft tissue? If one's skeleton contributed to his appearance of being fat, he'd have to look pretty macabre.


I think it’s more about how you carry the weight that you do have as well as the percentage of muscle you have compared to fat.

Muscle is denser and, thus, weighs more, so one person could look a lot bigger than someone else at the same weight if that person’s body fat percentage was higher.


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21 Jun 2019, 6:34 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
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I have seen some families where there is a genetic trait of being big boned although diet also plays a role...

I've never understood the concept of "big-boned"-ness. Even if there were such a thing, how could it contribute to an excess of bulk, given that bulk consists of soft tissue? If one's skeleton contributed to his appearance of being fat, he'd have to look pretty macabre.


I think it’s more about how you carry the weight that you do have as well as the percentage of muscle you have compared to fat.

Muscle is denser and, thus, weighs more, so one person could look a lot bigger than someone else at the same weight if that person’s body fat percentage was higher.

The fat/muscle distinction is important, but in my experience it only makes a difference in extreme cases - weightlifters, for instance. But then maybe I'm being naive; I have to admit that I haven't given these questions much thought, my problem being that of needing to put weight on.

Either way, the OP shouldn't be ashamed of her appearance - nor should anybody else here.



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21 Jun 2019, 6:48 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Prometheus18 wrote:
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I have seen some families where there is a genetic trait of being big boned although diet also plays a role...

I've never understood the concept of "big-boned"-ness. Even if there were such a thing, how could it contribute to an excess of bulk, given that bulk consists of soft tissue? If one's skeleton contributed to his appearance of being fat, he'd have to look pretty macabre.


I think it’s more about how you carry the weight that you do have as well as the percentage of muscle you have compared to fat.

Muscle is denser and, thus, weighs more, so one person could look a lot bigger than someone else at the same weight if that person’s body fat percentage was higher.


Yeah this is correct. In Australia we have rugby players who have the physique like fridges and often you see their parents share similar builds so there is some genetic component in terms how muscle/fat is deposited/develop. Also find there is an intergenerational commonality in physical activity (i.e. boys play rugby) and diet (maybe there's a tradition of lots of "hearty" pot food like roasts and pies etc).



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21 Jun 2019, 8:55 pm

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It doesnt matter how much I eat, I won't really gain any weight, whether it is genetics or an illness I don't know. I got fed up of people telling me that it just boils down to calories in calories out which is honestly baloney. I weigh 134 lbs now while I eat about 2000 calories a day across 4 meals and weighed 134 lbs back in 2013 when I was eating 4000 to 5000 cals a day between 7 to 9 meals. No f*****g difference. Even if we were to assume that "calories in calories out" what determines calories out? The calorie calculators all said I should have blown up like a whale within 6 weeks but of course that never happened.

There are people on the gastroparesis facebook group who are morbidly obese and they only consume 300 calories a day(because of chronic nausea vomiting from the disease) and while others with the same calorie deficit are like 90 lbs and underweight. So calories in calories out explaination is simple minded BS.


Then there's me who is seldom hungry. We went out to for lunch as part of my birthday this month. The restaurant gave me a huge plate of pasta. I ate two small raviolis and felt like my stomach was about to explode I was that full.


Have you ever precisely counted every calorie you eat and drink for awhile, even using a food scale?

Most people consume more calories than they think they do.

I used fitness pal and that was counting calories. During that year or so I ate consistently over 4000 calories a day and even pushed it to 5000 calories for several months I never really gained any weight. I was eating ALL day long, I would eat like 3 pork roast dinners in a day, 2 smoothies loaded with peanut butter milk, avocado oil, whey, and had stacks of pancakes with bacon maple syrup, fistfuls of high calorie nuts and would cook everything with copious amount of olive oil. I was either cooking, eating, grocery shopping, using the washroom or the 3 to 4 x 1.25 hours of heavy weight lifting a week during that time. I had devoted my life back then to proving others wrong that by showing it was impossible for me to gain weight by eating everything in sight.

Now I only have 2 extra calorie ensures, a carnation instant breakfast, some ice cream or cheese, and say a dish of pasta with some milk to drink in a typical day and I weigh essentially the exact same, mind you I dont exercise anymore. Not like I was doing Michael Phelps level of exercise to make up for the difference. Besides my 3 or 4 workouts a week my life was pretty much sedentary.



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22 Jun 2019, 7:41 pm

Noca wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
Noca wrote:
It doesnt matter how much I eat, I won't really gain any weight, whether it is genetics or an illness I don't know. I got fed up of people telling me that it just boils down to calories in calories out which is honestly baloney. I weigh 134 lbs now while I eat about 2000 calories a day across 4 meals and weighed 134 lbs back in 2013 when I was eating 4000 to 5000 cals a day between 7 to 9 meals. No f*****g difference. Even if we were to assume that "calories in calories out" what determines calories out? The calorie calculators all said I should have blown up like a whale within 6 weeks but of course that never happened.

There are people on the gastroparesis facebook group who are morbidly obese and they only consume 300 calories a day(because of chronic nausea vomiting from the disease) and while others with the same calorie deficit are like 90 lbs and underweight. So calories in calories out explaination is simple minded BS.


Then there's me who is seldom hungry. We went out to for lunch as part of my birthday this month. The restaurant gave me a huge plate of pasta. I ate two small raviolis and felt like my stomach was about to explode I was that full.


Have you ever precisely counted every calorie you eat and drink for awhile, even using a food scale?

Most people consume more calories than they think they do.

I used fitness pal and that was counting calories. During that year or so I ate consistently over 4000 calories a day and even pushed it to 5000 calories for several months I never really gained any weight. I was eating ALL day long, I would eat like 3 pork roast dinners in a day, 2 smoothies loaded with peanut butter milk, avocado oil, whey, and had stacks of pancakes with bacon maple syrup, fistfuls of high calorie nuts and would cook everything with copious amount of olive oil. I was either cooking, eating, grocery shopping, using the washroom or the 3 to 4 x 1.25 hours of heavy weight lifting a week during that time. I had devoted my life back then to proving others wrong that by showing it was impossible for me to gain weight by eating everything in sight.

Now I only have 2 extra calorie ensures, a carnation instant breakfast, some ice cream or cheese, and say a dish of pasta with some milk to drink in a typical day and I weigh essentially the exact same, mind you I dont exercise anymore. Not like I was doing Michael Phelps level of exercise to make up for the difference. Besides my 3 or 4 workouts a week my life was pretty much sedentary.


I usually am under my maximum calories goal when I use My Fitness Pal. I always feel awkward going out to eat because some people around me are able to eat all of their entree, dessert and an appetizer and I can barely eat past the appetizer. I have a meal plan I follow and leftovers don't always work out for me because I have scheduled meals to eat. I'd rather toss the last 1/4 of a sandwich than go over my calorie limit and end up physically sick.


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22 Jun 2019, 11:11 pm

I think it's a mistake to conflate a person's weight with their health. It's the over-generalisation approach of taking health trends in the population and trying to apply that to an individual.

Someone with a genetic tendency to be larger and heavier can still be healthy, if they eat a nutritious diet and do plenty of exercise. Some slim people have quite unhealthy habits that are doing damage to themselves.

I was even reading a book about menopause that explained how very thin women are likely to suffer more during the menopause, because fat produces oestrogen, which can help offset the reduction in hormones from the ovaries.

I feel fine eating mainly home-cooked meals and exercising a few times a week - and I don't own a set of scales.



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23 Jun 2019, 8:11 pm

I could live off of smoothies, vegetables, fruit, sushi and salads and be fine. I have learned not to buy and hoard excessive food. It wastes money I could spend on more fulfilling things.


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