Hipsters/music snobs bother the hell out of me.

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The math rock I've listened to just sounds like complex patterns over each other... I like listening and deciphering the different rhythm.

I don't like noise music... unless the noise is used sparingly.

It's kind of devoid of humanity... but they do create interesting sounds.

I've really wanted to say something yesterday on this, found I really didn't have the energy or place of mind to really discuss it - today I think I do though.

For me, while a lot of music sounds the way it does to a lot of people - as just music, something you could take or leave that doesn't have much more effect than background noise, there is a very specific spectrum of sound and emotionality that does far more for me than that. When I say that I really mean it inspires me, almost acts as a self medication, puts me in a much healthier mental place but also even further more strikes me on a spiritual level that I can't explain to people unless they've just been there. I have had people ask me about being single-faceted, why I just like certain genres, why I don't listen to a little bit of everything: the problem is I know what I like, its very energy specific.

One of the reasons I really hang up on jungle, with the techy stuff its the way the textures, the moods, the energies, all of that comes together - it just feels like perfection. When it comes to the slower and jazzier stuff; same thing just a different pace. I tend to really chase deep and epic sounds, things that feel like they're far bigger than this life or this world. This is part of why I love things especially that have a great sense of beauty at the same time as an urgency, part of that compelling urge to rise above the human state into something far greater and more epic, this is part of what I see in things like Metalheadz (which is why I quite often have had the Platinum Breakz logo - Platinum Breakz I, MHZ O3, MHZ Winter of Content, very much stuff of this nature). I also really love the fact that sound of this nature seems as matured as it can get ultimately, it chases a degree of rhythmic and tonal intelligence with a very steady sense of vision, no teen angst just oceans of spiritual depth (Metalheadz, older Roni Size, 1997-1998 techstep jungle, a lot of LTJ Bukem and Fabio, and some of the 2005'ish Renegade Hardware like dj Spirit, Loxy, Ink, or Skitty liked to throw down in sets). I do again like some minimal techno (and yeah I'm sporting one of those guy's gliffs right now), some trance, some alternative rock/metal, some hip hop, but you'd find I'm very particular on what angles of that stuff that I do like just because its more about the fact that it contains the right moods, ideas, and kinetics. Not at all trying to sport a style at the exclusion of other things but again, some sounds really feed something spiritually in me, some sound (particularly silly stuff) really do make feel wretchedly self-conscious, and other stuff is completely neither here nor there - just background music.

I think the hardest part about having an intense connection with music is feeling like your alone in it. I really wish I could snap an image of what I'm feeling in my own minds eye when I listen to some of the stuff I do, the emotions, the sights, the sounds; my own production doesn't even convey it well enough and I'd really need more practice to really be able to isolate and amplify it to my satisfaction in my own works. If some people think I'm just stroking my ego with that or the kinds of stuff I said in the Kodwo Eshun thread I'd imagine they could think figure out the crap side of this as well just by looking at their own reactions; its really hard to have this inside of you and at the same time feel like it can't be understood. When I have felt the desire to try and evangelize people to my tastes (especially back when I was 21 or 22) I had to consciously remind myself "If these people really had it in them to like something like this they would have sought it out and found it themselves" - to that extent I really try not to talk about things too much just because, shoving something down someone's throat is annoying and especially so if they just aren't wired to have that sort of reaction. These days I don't even care when I put something in the CD player when I'm with friends IRL that sometimes instantly want to put something else on - most people aren't of the same mind set and I get it, its not a problem. Still, though, I do have a great longing and what I'd call almost a need to run into people who can see the same things - I'm really lucky that I have a roommate who can appreciate music from the same angles as I do but still, it feels like we're both starving without finding more people like ourselves.

Well said. Mathrock bands like Don Cabellero change time sigs completely randomly just to appear intelligent to a bunch of people who don't know jack s**t about writing music. IMO the band which has truly mastered time sig changes is Mastodon. Brann Dailor is one of the best drummers in existence, and Bill Kelliher writes some of the most intricate and intriguing guitar parts around.

id never heard of mathrock before this thread but that don cabellero soundend like i pile of s**t .... i can see the point in noise but that just pissed me off

i suppose i would lose allot of points for saying i like a band thats apparently mathcore


nearly all the people ive encountered who look down on music i listen to have turned out not to know what they where talking about .... my favorate was a guy who dident know what thrash was (he was compaining about how thrash sucked till i pointed out most of his favorate bands where thrash)

most people who listen to what i consider crap either cus they dont look at it in the same way, or they just dont care enough to find out whats out there ..... and im perfectly willing to accept that

Hipsters are from Mars.

It is very Hot on Mars! 80 degrees Fahrenheit!

I know some of these music hipsters too, they speak in tongue and another language that I don't understand.

I like all musical genres too though. But I don't speak it, I spiritually experience music with my ears...

My comment on Hipsters.. (and i know of quiet a few)...

If someone has to try so hard to be cool, then they most likely aren't.

Its all just designer consumerism anyway, buy/wear/be this to be in with the "in crowd". Even those in an clique that see themselves as anarchists / counter culture gurus / communists. Almost all are still reliant on the evil system that they proclaim to have nothing to do with.

I noticed this as I grew up, but after taking a look, i realised the "in crowd" were sadistic narcissistic sociopaths who are "someone" but only within their limited sphere of influence/popularity.
Most the people "in the clique" lacked intelligence as well as creative or intellectual talent, falling back on bullying tactics to succeed in business / romantic relationships.

Unfortunately, there are more of them than me. So they prevail, that is the power of popularity.
But never mind, it doesn't bother me. As i wouldn't want to be part of a clique of people who act in such atrocious ways and hold such materialistic and criminal values.

I used to hate elitist as*holes but at least they kept the poptimism at bay.

A lot of indie hipsters look down on the metal I listen to but I would seem like a hipster to the average pop listener. Not because I would mock them but because I wouldn't like what they do and they wouldn't have heard of most of what I like. And where I live any guitar music that isn't country or classic rock is associated with hipsters.

My tastes in music are pretty damn obscure, but I grew out of the snob thing aged around 19. Really, it was a defensive thing- growing up surrounded by kids who treated me like trash and sneered at everything I enjoyed, I decided that no, they were the pig-ignorant taste-free human gargage actually. Once I was out of that situation, I quickly became a lot more broad-minded. It helped that some of my new friends had very varied tastes in music: when someone I liked and respected was heavily into both medieval motets and Kylie Minogue, that challenged my lingering predjudice against pop. It's still not my favourite genre, but I can appreciate the art that goes into it a bit better now.

I'm with you there. I love odd time signatures, but I love grooves in odd time sigs, not the awkward twitchy lurching that happens when the music gets forced into a rhythm that doesn't suit it. Mastodon's classical equivalent for that is Maurice Ravel: his 5/8 and 7/8 feel really smooth and natural, and he moves into and out of them slickly too. You don't have to be nerdily counting along to "appreciate" it- sounds good whether you notice the rhythm or not!

Of course the other side of it is the inverted music snobs: "If it's not a three-chord love song that's recently been in the Top 40, it's hipster BS." I've been out to open mics where you can see battle lines forming between the snobs and the inverted snobs- heaven help you if you're somewhere in the middle!

My oldest daughter has called me a hipster before because of music. She is all kinds of pop music is it or you're a hipster.

I've known some hipsters, and I've never been able to hang with them where music is concerned. my taste in music is all over the place. I'm not big on pop music in general, though some of it Is alright, I'm just not into it enough to 'hang with the cool kids' and mainstream music either. I'm in the middle myself with this stuff.

As a kid, a lot of the people I knew were anti mainstream types...they'd very much hate on pop music. I'm pretty sure it was part self defense, part separate themselves from the masses they loathed. I feel that, the talk about getting past that idea and being able to enjoy a wider variety of music. Pop can be crappy, but it can be good too, like most else. That's one of the things I like about being in the middle with music, more options to choose from means a better chance of finding something I really get into. Nothing makes me happy like finding a new favorite song to obsess over.