Is everything about Britain shameful ?

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You can be a Freemason and a Christian.

Take a look at the various initiation rituals they do and what they mean.

I believe Free masonary was originally started as an order of masons who kept the Church's architectural secrets.
As in many of the Cathedrals across the world, there are all sorts of aspects of their design that holds religious symbolism.

I believe the Freemasons are primarily from people who follow one of the Abrahamic Religions.
Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc.

Freemasons are also related to the Night Templar, who are known to have started international banking.
As for magick and devil/demon worship.

Well I can not say. Although certain powerful figures connected to the Church of England were known to have been part of the Hellfire club. A bunch of power abusing power elite of their time, who perversely practised covert debauchery, magick in secret (in caves off High Wycombe), while at the same time portraying themselves in the public eye as good upstanding pillars of society during a time that debauchery was considered immoral.

People also associated with this club included other well known people such as Aleister Crowley and Benjamin Franklin.

If one goes back to the roots of the masonic teachings one will discover that it is related to ancient times but nit Christianity. It is related to baal worship, which is a demonic counterfit to the old Jewish religion in which Christianity bases its origions with.
The "All seeing eye" has nothing to do with the God of Christianity but is a demonic counterfit of the offspring between the sun and moon god.
All through the history of the Christian church this counterfit religion as saught to infultrate and take over the Christian denominations. It is satans key attack on the church, hence fallen spiritually dead church leaders who have adopted these counterfit practices have aligned themselves up with this counterfit religion.

2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

The true Christian church operates directly in the spiritual plain. The counterfit church seeks to explain away spiritual concepts in an earthly way and therefore denies its power. It becomes a dead church. The true church sees genuine miriacles. The counterfit church rarely has miracles and when they do take place they tend to give the glory to the one who God used (Declaring him or her a saint or someone special) rather then giving the glory to God who made the miracle take place.
The true church is, and concentrates on its people. The counterfit church glorifies the buildings. (Nothing wrong with building something nice to worship in in itself, but the symbols dictate what the church is dedicated to).
A counterfit is a copy. A forgery. Something which pretends to be the real deal but ends up being a wrong path to follow, and people have spent their whole lives following wrong paths which lead away from rather then towards God, as that is what satan tries to do. Lead one away from God.


But going back to a mason who is a Christian. There will come a time where either the person will leave the masonic lodge to follow Jesus Christ, or let go of Jesus Christ and follow the masonic organization as the two have different foundations.
I would love all freemasons to follow Christ, but in order for them to do this they must come away from the secretive occultish rituals.
Forming a group of like minded people to help each other and do good is great! I am not knocking that side of it as long as it is all for the right reasons and does not break any laws.

I’m a Rainbow girl.

The Freemasons are a secret society. So no outsider really knows what they are about...in the upper echelons..because its all secret.

So I cant vouch for them being Christian, nor can you prove that they are anti Christian.

But the rule is "innocent until proven guilty". So its up to you to prove that they are sacreligous. Not for me to prove that they are not.

But many of America's founding fathers were Free Masons, including George Washington.

And American paper money is covered with esoteric Free Mason symbols. Like the eye in the pyramid.

In fact many Americans were so worried about the influence of the Masons in US politics that in the early 19th Century there was even an "Anti Masonic" political party that fielded minor presidential candidates (the Jill Steins of the time).

Some of their candidates, ironically, were Free Masons (I guess you gotta take whatever qualified candidates come your way).

Misslizard. You have lots of colours?

My advice is to all people who are Christians. Keep your eyes on the LORD and follow Him. Nothing else matters when one follows HIm!

Naturalplastic. You will be surprized how little freemasons know about their own masonic lodges and the meanings of the rituals that they are involved with. Many, when they first join only believe that there are four levels within their organizations, and if they do well and move up levels to be the top level, they discover there are another four levels and so on. The system is set up so that one only knows more when one reaches a certain level, and of course, one is not allowed to reveal this to the levels below. They are good at keeping secrets! So if one thinks there are only 4, 12 or 32 levels, one is actually on the very bottom few rungs of a very large pyramid like multi level system.

My brother in law's father is a retired senior member of the free masons. He says the ritual/secrecy stems from the middle ages renaissance when knowledge of building and architecture was learned from the order of the Knights Templar who were already a secret society.

The Knights Templar obtained this knowledge from the levant through contact with builders of Jewish and islamic background. The middle east already had printing presses, universities, hospitals, palaces, gardens and grand mosques that were built using knowledge absent in Europe. The sole exception is the Hagia Sophia in Constantinople which the holy Roman emperor was able to access builders from the middle east. This knowledge was also used to build the Taj Mahal in northern India, both buildings defied the technology of the time.

If you look at buildings built up to the modern era the masonry includes mythical symbolism from builders from ancient Jerusalem and the great builder Hiram Abiff who is considered the first mason responsible for building the lost temple of Solomon.

No demons etc needed to explain the secrecy

Not everything about Britain is shameful.

My Mother was an Eastern Star and my Father a Master Mason.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/freemasoni ... rls/%3famp

Be aware that I am not trying to offend. I am trying to point out the difficulties in the two different directions. Think of it like this. There is true North and there is magnetic North.
Now if one wants to get to the furthest northern place and one follows the compass, one reaches magnetic North, BUT, if one was to meet someone special at the exact point of True North, one would end up in the wrong destination. Now if one starts from ones home to make this journey, from the start position the two destinations both seem to be heading in the right direction, but only one of those destinations is the right place, and no matter how tough the journey may be, if one is heading in the wrong direction ibe one just a single degree off course, one may never make it to True North.
I would love it if everyone was to reach the True North in their lives.

(Maybe we can start a new thread to chat about this interesting topic more. I too have masonic history from both sides of my family line, and it was expected that my parents and us would also follow suit but we did not, and it is not that we don't love the people that are masons. It is more that when one comes face to face with Jesus Christ, one has a new path to follow. One has a new life to lead. The old has gone. One is a new creation.

/\No offense taken.