Ran into my ex today, observed a strange behaviour
KMCIURA wrote:
Fnord wrote:
My ex has (or had) a charismatic personality that lent massive credence to her lies . . . including our wedding vows. She never needed material evidence to support her claims, as she could turn her tears on and off at will (for example). She was (is) manipulative, spiteful, and vindictive, returning the least social slight with massive rumor campaigns and insults.
The lawyer was doing his job by checking with me what he had been told, while my (now ex-) employer was just being a jerk.
Looking back, my ex may have had the same narcissistic and/or bipolar disorders as my father. She also drank and abused prescription drugs.
I am glad to be rid of her.
She wasn't very smart even though she had all these qualities. If she would like to really make your life miserable, she could accuse you of raping, beating, molesting her or being a pedo or involved in organised crime, whatever. Easy enough to fabricate the evidence when there's word vs word case. I.e. waiting for the moment when you are home alone, writing down the timeframe, then inducing self-harm and reporting to police that you've assaulted her. No alibi, so serious problem to debunk these claims for you. Especially given that you are a man and men are responsible for majority of domestic violence, so courts tend to lean towards believing women more often than not.The lawyer was doing his job by checking with me what he had been told, while my (now ex-) employer was just being a jerk.
Looking back, my ex may have had the same narcissistic and/or bipolar disorders as my father. She also drank and abused prescription drugs.
I am glad to be rid of her.
Even back then, I was demanding evidence for her every accusation. Since there was never any evidence for her to provide, she resorted to character assassination — rumors, innuendoes, and snide comments.
Just like the trolls on this website.
Fnord wrote:
Just like the trolls on this website.
I must say, observing the interactions between users of this forum is fascinating. I've been observing NT-NT ones so much, but never had any chance of seeing some AS-AS "action". It is like a whole new field to research
Also, I've never realised how diverse and quite often irrational people with AS are - before joining this forum I've read a lot, but for example never encountered a solid descriptions of AS overlapping with other conditions. Even when it comes to people like Joe90 - it is the first case I've ever heard of when it comes to AS person being so highly emotional and sensitive. It is like experiencing a contact with a whole different universe I am used to live in - yes, through text, but still. And even trolls here troll in a different way to their NT counterparts
Fnord wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Why? The primary motivations may vary, but there is one constant in all such encounters:
“Anything you say can and will be used against you by your ex.”
This has not been my experience, although I can see that this might be an issue if you had an especially nasty breakup or an especially messy divorce.“Anything you say can and will be used against you by your ex.”
Another time, I asked a mall cop where I could find a certain store, and she was kind enough to walk me there. Had I known my ex was in the mall at that time, I would have left and come back the next day, because my lawyer called me that night to ask about my “arrest” earlier that day.
Ugh.... Not everyone is like this, but yes, alas, there are indeed some truly nasty vengeful people out there. I'm sorry to hear that your ex was like this.
Fnord wrote:
So, while it may not always be true that “Anything you say or do can and will be used against you by your ex”, one should keep that idea in mind when anywhere their ex’s could also be.
How necessary this is depends on the individuals, their personalities, and the circumstances under which they broke up.
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KMCIURA wrote:
2) Messages were private, they were send via what is currently known as messenger. 8 years ago it was more integrated into Facebook and not a separate app if I recall correctly. Out of curiosity - why do you think that hateful messages which I was recipient of would matter for my prospective employer? Highly unlikely scenario. "Oh, a girl went angry chihuahua once on this guy - no, we are not hiring him"
It would depend on what she said. If she were to publicly accuse you of a crime, that might frighten off some prospective employers.
Also, this probably varies by country, but, here in the U.S.A. at least, many prospective employers will be scared off by anything which implies that you are anything less than 100% competent, 100% conscientious, and 100% lovable, 100% of the time. Perhaps this is less so in Poland?
KMCIURA wrote:
3) I haven't been badmouthing her to her employer. I am not interested in such games, they are good for emotionally unstable teenagers. When we have broken up, I had multiple, more efficient ways of causing her trouble, laid bare in front of me. When you are with someone for few years, you can learn about their vulnerabilities and get to know what would hurt them most. Like to say that when you give someone key to your heart, you are also giving them a key to your doom. I didn't seek revenge, though. I simply wanted to be done with her, pick up the pieces and move on, rather than stirring more drama. Life's not a Taylor Swift's song, ffs.
4) I've never claimed that breakup or the recent meeting were dangerous situations. They were not. Breakup was ...intense. The situation from yesterday was no threat, it was simply something unwanted.
4) I've never claimed that breakup or the recent meeting were dangerous situations. They were not. Breakup was ...intense. The situation from yesterday was no threat, it was simply something unwanted.
I'm glad to hear there was no danger.
KMCIURA wrote:
I am not religious to see forgiveness, no matter what, as a virtue.
I'm not religious, but I do see conflict resolution as a virtue, where feasible. I don't necessarily favor "forgiveness, no matter what," though.
KMCIURA wrote:
6) As for the first thing that should came out of her mouth, if she really needed to approach me? Simple:
"Hi. Can you give me a moment? Can we talk?" - see? This approach is respectful and gives the other party an open option to say "no". It is humble way of approaching the situation. It shows that person who's asking want to handle this in delicate manner and is prepared to be rejected.
"Hi. Can you give me a moment? Can we talk?" - see? This approach is respectful and gives the other party an open option to say "no". It is humble way of approaching the situation. It shows that person who's asking want to handle this in delicate manner and is prepared to be rejected.
I agree that this would have been better.
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Fnord wrote:
I will never understand how someone who breaks off a relationship with a long rant that includes every imaginable insult could ever expect to maintain friendly relations with their ex later.
Not everyone breaks up in such a nasty way, in the first place.
In any case, a restoration of at least a distant friendship is desirable if, for example, there are children involved, or if the ex-partners are both still members of some group (e.g. a church) that is important to them both.
Also, even without such ongoing circumstances, it seems to me that when any longterm relationship breaks up, there are always some loose ends that need to be tied up. It would be desirable for this to be done in a civil manner if possible.
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KMCIURA wrote:
I must say, observing the interactions between users of this forum is fascinating. I've been observing NT-NT ones so much, but never had any chance of seeing some AS-AS "action". It is like a whole new field to research
Message board forums, like Wrong Planet, are also very different from other online venues, such as the major social media platforms, in terms of the kinds of interaction they foster.
Have you participated on other message board forums? If so, how have the interactions there been similar to and different from interactions here on WP?
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The Internet forums I've been/am active on tends to be populated by mostly ND people.
It's kind of natural since the forums are usually focused on a specific subject, eg Comics, Boats, Solar Power, etc. And tends to be quite nerdy.
The difference I see with WP is that people in general are more friendly.
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Mona Pereth wrote:
KMCIURA wrote:
I must say, observing the interactions between users of this forum is fascinating. I've been observing NT-NT ones so much, but never had any chance of seeing some AS-AS "action". It is like a whole new field to research
Message board forums, like Wrong Planet, are also very different from other online venues, such as the major social media platforms, in terms of the kinds of interaction they foster.
Have you participated on other message board forums? If so, how have the interactions there been similar to and different from interactions here on WP?
Yeah, I've participated in few in the past, related to fields of my interests. Here, most discussions are "dry". I mean, even if people have radically opposing views on given subject, they always follow some path of reasoning and logic, although it can be flawed, of course. But I think that these "errors" in understanding something spin from incomplete data and different background. In general, I see more pressure put on ideas exchange and willingness to consider another person's point of view, adapt one's stance with new information. Whereas in case of NT people dominated forums it was mostly sitting in trenches and getting very emotional, to the point that there were people openly in conflicts. And when they did, they attacked their "enemy's" point of view no matter what, even if it was objectively the most probable/reasonable one. Quite often the conversation devolved into throwing insults. Imagine insulting someone over the fact that they've pointed some obvious flaws in design of ...rollerblades, out of all things, just because you are a zealot with a blind faith into genius of person who created brand which released given model, lol. I've seen it.
Then there are people with very different writing styles, much more diversity of those than I've seen on any other message board.
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