Sick of female character "desexualisation" rant

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Already from the start, the Japanese were trying to adapt the Western imports to Japanese standards. So they took certain parts of Western appearance and then adopted them where it suited their already existing standards. As you mentioned, white skin was attractive in pre-Edo Japan because of the association with aristocracy. Since (some) Westerners have natural white skin, that part was easily adopted and continued.

The preferred body type in Japan is very different from the one in Western countries (much thinner). For example, the big ass & boobs thing seen in mature anime is the allure of the exotic. If you turn on any TV show in Japan (and TV is still a huge part of life here) you'll see nothing of that. In fact you'll probably see more of the objectified childish body shapes which are taboo in the West.

My daughter is a so-called "hafu" and you're right that she's praised for her big eyes, tall nose, etc. But growing up she'll likely not be seen as a true Japanese and therefore not able to conform to "true" Japanese standards. Again, it's the allure of the exotic, not necessarily a perception that caucasian looks are superior.

The crux lies in that generally speaking, a lot of Japanese, especially after the bubble broke, harbour an inferiority complex. Take that which the fact that racism is by and large much more accepted in Japan, and it's OK to look down on dark-skinned people because they're obviously lower in rank than white people. But the Japanese consider their own "race" superior in most aspects, including those of beauty. To them, European looks are too rough and need some Japanese refinement to really shine.

Put simply, the "hafu" is an improvement of European looks by adding superior Japanese features, not the other way around. Of course this thinking is nothing I would personally approve of.

Interesting perspective and I grant you are more familiar with Japanese culture and people. Just some slight clarification on a couple of things.
1. The preferred body type in most western men is probably closer to that of east men which is slim/slender like catwalk models, There has been much made about Kim Kardashian type of bodies but this isn't that widespread as the media claims.
2. The Japanese (like many Asians including even Indians) are not cognizant of why they are drawn to western standards of beauty. The "hafu" characteristics do have a mix of what Japanese like (as you mention) but a lot of these preferences are unconscious and (I suspect) repressed or embarrasing to mention in public.

There's a really good podcast from something called the Hafu project (you might have watched them). There's some really interesting cognitive dissonance observed in Japanese people who say they are scared of foreigners but are terribly drawn/attracted to foreign culture.

I don't know if you're strictly looking for something in a manga style, but this is a great collection of autobiographical comics, from young adulthood to maturity:



Preview here: https://www.topshelfcomix.com/catalog/alec-the-years-have-pants/618

There is also Cerebus, which started as a parody of Conan the Barbarian and went on to talk about religion and politics. Unfortunately, the creator developed some really ugly views of men and women over time, but the comic is still well-made.

Actually now that I'm home I went to Mrs. 1986 and asked for the truth. Turns out she's supporting both our theories and that one main reason some Japanese women like the Western face is that basically all clothing etc. is Westernised in Japan so naturally it fits a person from that place better. The tables are turned if we talk about Japanese clothes, such as the kimono. But looking beyond both our perspectives, beauty depends on the individual and there are merits and demerits both to Japanese and Western beauty features and ideals.

As usual the Mrs. rather than the Mr. finds the proper middle ground.

It would seem Mrs 1986 has zen like wisdom

On kimonos, have you seen this? I thought it was pretty cool

On the other hand...drawing cartoon characters with bigger rounder eyes makes it easier to convey the characters emotions.

While I accept this premise, it's also not an accident that anime resemble caucasians



Whenever I look at anime characters I never once think of Japanese or Asian. I always think they look European.

If there are Japanese people who seem themselves in these characters then it only supports my point that this is an unconscious process of internalising western beauty standards and not being cognisant of why.

Have long wondered about that. Anime characters have western eyes, and coloration. But kinda asian build and stature. An animie fan on WP said "anime charcters are their own race". I think that theyre supposed to be just "generic humans".

Actually if you also look at the faces the noses are long, high bridged and pointy in profile


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While many anime characters are slender, particularly males are tall which again is an east Asian fantasy to be taller like Europeans.

This thread is now getting too cerebral for me. I can't handle this. It's too hard. I have a headache. I liked it better when it was just about naked alien chicks. That I can handle.

You can always post more naked aliens chicks. BTW tha't;s a common experience with alien abductions as well, male abductees having beautiful female alien hybrids to mate with
https://www.vice.com/en/article/a34dme/ ... ith-aliens

Ring any bells?

Oh...that makes sense now...

It's almost like, therapy to him...

Depicting his experience through art...

And Here I was thinking, he was just a creepy old guy with a grey fetish...lusting over big booby aliens...

Read Prof John Mack's "Abduction"
There's a number of his patients who had sex with hybrid aliens

Actually never heard of Huggins till reading this thread

Human society would be a million times better if sex and nudity were destigmatized. Humans are sexual creatures, and we should stop pretending that that's somehow a bad thing.

Yes!

And there should be harsh punishments for violating social rule. So that people can express themselves sexually, but feel safe at the same time in doing so, both for the recipient of a persons affections & the giver of the affection.

Doing anything non-consensual should be harshly punished, in an easily accessible way via lawful & legal means.

Victims should be believed & a competent application of methods that can separate the fake claims from the real claims (a majority are genuine) - needs to be realised.

I hear ya, the situation you bring to light is a large part of why I've still not posted any of my sci-fi characters on Deviantart: my health is a mess and I simply do not have enough energy to deal with militant activists of any flavor.