Is there a link between born premature, social ineptness

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16 Apr 2023, 1:49 am

i wish i could fit more in the title for the thread, but sadly i couldn't.

I feel i should include, does being born premature increase the risk for someone being born with autism? also, i think a person can still be born with autism and they had a normal pregnancy, gestation.

But also, i wonder if there is a link between premature birth, and it affecting a persons mental and social development, affecting a persons ability to socialize and connect with others, can make a person do poorly in social situations, even though i feel reluctant to use this word, because unfortuneately, i don't want to feel like i am bringing people down, insulting them, but making them mentally and socially ret*d.

I am bringing up this question because, i am in contact with someone who is autistic, he claims he has high functioning autism, aspergers.

For most of his life, he had no friends at all, says he didn't really have any friends at all until he was 28, and he was bullied a lot in school growing up, people called him ret*d. He has some friends now though, but unsurprisingly, no shock, he has never had a girlfriend before.

However, the sad, unfortunate incident in his life that he disclosed to me, told me about, made me feel really sorry for him, he told me that he had a negative, bad experience with a girl back when he was in college.

He told me that a girl got a restraining order on him.

Here are the details of the story of how it happend:

This is all that he told me, he said: "when I was 23 and she was 21 and her name was Carly and she told me that I can come over after class with her and her guy friends every day, and I did that, and her and her guy friends that thought I was annoying, got a restraining order on me, and plus I gave her Pokémon cards for her birthday since I’m a nice man, and she told the dean that I’m creepy and everyone on the school in Florida made fun of me and called me a weirdo stalker and I’m dangerous and I had a mental break down, and got expelled and went to the mental hospital in Chicago."

Unfortuneately, since i wasn't a witness or didn't see what happend to him in person, its difficult for me to know what it is that he did wrong socially.

Nevertheless, i couldn't help but feel very sorry for him, but my guess is, since autism makes it difficult for people to read social cues, body language, or peoples non-verbal hints, my guess is, he failed to read, understand the early warning signs in which that girl, those people, no longer wanted him in their presence.

His story made me feel sorry for him, because there are no doubt lots of times for many people there, autism or not, in which their attempts to befriend people or be social with people, make new friends, or attempt, try to date/attract someone, ends up horribly backfiring, they get a negative or horrible reaction, they were never trying to hurt anyone, but their social awkwardness or social ineptness, just ends up shooting themselves in the foot.

Anyway, besides him telling me that he has autism, he says as a baby, he was born premature, quite early premature, and it makes me wonder if being born premature is sadly a contributing factor for poor social development, or if it affects a persons ability to connect with others, be social, among other issues.



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16 Apr 2023, 2:06 am

I haven't researched it myself but I remember seeing other threads here on the same topic. I think there was some research including stats posted in those threads but I can't remember the conclusions. People have also wondered about vaginal vs C Section, post-term deliveries, epidurals, traumatic birth experiences, and other considerations like maternal age and smoking history.

In my case it's genetic. I wasn't premature but my dad was premature, although his would have been genetic too. My son wasn't premature but my daughter was. I'd say they're equally ASD although in different ways.


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16 Apr 2023, 2:24 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I haven't researched it myself but I remember seeing other threads here on the same topic. I think there was some research including stats posted in those threads but I can't remember the conclusions. People have also wondered about vaginal vs C Section, post-term deliveries, epidurals, traumatic birth experiences, and other considerations like maternal age and smoking history.

In my case it's genetic. I wasn't premature but my dad was premature, although his would have been genetic too. My son wasn't premature but my daughter was. I'd say they're equally ASD although in different ways.


that autistic guy i'm in contact with, he told me that he was born quite early premature, so early that he had to be connected to an oxygen tube as a fetus, but ya, its just a guess of mine, just speculation, that being born premature, it has an effect on ones brain development, and since the brain is the most important organ in the human body, and is the one associated with socializing and connecting with others, since it manages thoughts, memory, stuff we learn or forget, thats why it won't surprise me if being born premature is sadly a contributing factor to people doing poorly in social situations.



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16 Apr 2023, 2:52 am

It makes sense to me, considering it's a developmental disorder. I guess the question is whether or not being born premature with a good outcome (not needing NICU or life-saving measures, having access to incubators and neonates) would still affect the brain's development? My dad was born months early in the 1930s and my grandmother didn't even know she was pregnant. He was kept alive with oxygen from a welding torch and put in their oven at home. The thing is that even his father seemed to be autistic and I doubt he was premie back in the 1910s. If it's true it can't account for all autism, but I'd be curious to see the stats.

I've read some peer-reviewed medical studies on cerebellar defects in newborns being linked to autism. But that doesn't mean all those babies were premature.


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16 Apr 2023, 2:59 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
It makes sense to me, considering it's a developmental disorder. I guess the question is whether or not being born premature with a good outcome (not needing NICU or life-saving measures, having access to incubators and neonates) would still affect the brain's development? My dad was born months early in the 1930s and my grandmother didn't even know she was pregnant. He was kept alive with oxygen from a welding torch and put in their oven at home. The thing is that even his father seemed to be autistic and I doubt he was premie back in the 1910s. If it's true it can't account for all autism, but I'd be curious to see the stats.

I've read some peer-reviewed medical studies on cerebellar defects in newborns being linked to autism. But that doesn't mean all those babies were premature.


but a person can still be born with autism and still not have been born premature, had a normal healthy gestation, but ya, i can't help but feel very sorry for that guy i mentioned.



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16 Apr 2023, 6:46 am

Hmm… Most people don’t go to the trouble of getting a restraining order unless it’s warranted. I wonder what all his “annoying” behavior entailed. I can’t feel sorry for him about that without knowing more information.



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16 Apr 2023, 6:52 am

Being so everything seems to cause autism, I suppose premature birth will too.

I was born a week AFTER my due date, natural birth, no complications.


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16 Apr 2023, 7:02 am

I came out too early and was put in an incubator, but my cousins eldest who is also waiting to be assessed for autism said his Mum had difficulty when having him and he had to be reduced.
I don't know if there is a link to be honest as the thing with things like this is that if there was a definate link, it would be found out years ago and every single premature or difficult birth would automatically be classed as autistic, but this clearly is not the case, so it is not exactly true.
Some on the spectrum will have come out early or have had a difficult birth, but not all, so there is no defined link that one can say "That is it".



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16 Apr 2023, 7:28 am

i was born 3 months premature

the doctors thought i had deformed facial features at first but evidently i didnt and never have
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and they thought i might not live but i fighted and only turned out autistic

im the only autistic in my family so i think being born premature might have had something to do with it in my case


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16 Apr 2023, 9:47 am

Premature birth is linked to higher chances of developmental delays, disabilities and health issues that may affect upbringing.

It is a risk factor for disability and death. The earlier, the riskier.

It is not strictly or equally always true.
And it is not limited to social ineptness.


Hm.

Mom and dad in their late 20s.
I was born normally. No complications. Was healthy throughout childhood. Even with all the social fulfillments. Still came out autistic. The only autistic in my family so far as I've known.
Is still playing catch up for the last decade.

Mom and dad in their early 30s.
My younger sister was premature and born through a c section. Had childhood health issues. Usually the shy and emotional type as a kid. Came out NT. Grew up like any other average NT and gotten better.
Currently on going to her second year working abroad and is making more money than me AND my mom.


We're both living in the same household. In the same financial issues.
With near same set of immediate circumstances like how well-connected our relatives are and our cultures.

Only that she's the younger child and I'm supposedly the elder child.

I say, it doesn't matter.


I myself don't even know 'why' I "turned out to be autistic". I do not have that kind of 'story'.

I don't have this family history so I don't know which genes I really got it from. I don't have this tragic history like abuse or something messed up.

I don't have those complications that 'causes autism' which includes being born premature, being sickly or being exposed to whatever.

Not even with what my parents did or did not do, have or do not have.


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16 Apr 2023, 2:47 pm

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Hmm… Most people don’t go to the trouble of getting a restraining order unless it’s warranted. I wonder what all his “annoying” behavior entailed. I can’t feel sorry for him about that without knowing more information.



I didn't even read the part about the person's behaviour. I just read the thread title and answered. ^


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16 Apr 2023, 8:19 pm

Yes.

The Link Between Autism and Prematurity

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People who were born prematurely are much more likely to be diagnosed with autism than people who were born on time, according to a huge new study.

The earlier a baby is born, the higher the likelihood of having autism, according to the study in Pediatrics.1 Autism was later diagnosed in the following percentage of babies who were born at these stages of pregnancy1:

6 percent of babies born between 22 and 27 weeks
2.6 percent of babies born between 28 and 33 weeks
2 percent of babies born between 34 and 36 weeks
1.4 percent of babies born around 40 weeks, which is on time
For the study, researchers reviewed the records of more than 4 million people born in Sweden from 1973 to 2013. The study is believed to be the largest of its kind so far. It adds to the evidence from previous studies suggesting that autism is more common in premature babies, or preemies.

The autism rate increased for each additional week that a baby was born early, and that was true even for children who were delivered only a few weeks before their due date. Children who were born at 37 to 38 weeks, which is not considered premature, had a slightly higher rate of autism than those born closer to 40 weeks.

Doctors know that premature, or preterm, birth increases the risk of medical complications and death. The earlier a baby is born, especially before 32 weeks, the greater the chance of breathing, developmental, vision, or hearing problems, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Some smaller studies of prematurity found a higher autism rate than the Swedish study did.2, 3 In one analysis, researchers in Australia found that 7 percent of premature babies were later diagnosed with autism.2 The researchers analyzed the results of 18 scientific studies that included 3,366 premature and low-birthweight babies in various countries.

The link between prematurity and autism does not mean that one necessarily causes the other.

“The two may be seen together but caused by another factor, such as a gene abnormality,” says Paul H. Lipkin, M.D., a pediatric neurodevelopmental specialist and director of medical outpatient services at Kennedy Krieger Institute in Maryland. “Is a gene abnormality causing preterm birth; is it causing the neurodevelopmental problems seen in autism?” asks Lipkin, who was not involved in that study.

Genes and other factors may contribute to autism, together or separately. The stress of prematurity on a developing baby’s brain may work together with a “biological vulnerability” to increase the likelihood of autism in some children, according to the Australian researchers’ study.2

In the study from Sweden, researchers considered family and other factors that could increase the likelihood that a child will have autism. Their analysis suggests that premature birth itself may contribute to autism in boys and girls.1

In 2019, 1 in 10 babies were born prematurely in the United States, according to the CDC. Being pregnant with twins or multiple babies, having a history of premature delivery, pregnancy complications, smoking, and substance use each increase the risk of an early delivery. But some mothers give birth prematurely even when none of these factors apply to them. Researchers are interested in possible genetic and environmental factors that affect preterm birth.4

About 12 percent of SPARK research participants who have autism were preemies, according to information they or their parents shared. Almost one-fifth of that group was very premature, having been born at 31 weeks or earlier.

Other pregnancy-related factors may contribute to the chance of a child having autism. These factors include having older parents, prenatal exposure to some pesticides or air pollution, very low birth weight, birth complications, and a mother’s diabetes, immune system problems, or obesity during pregnancy, according to the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS). “But these factors alone are unlikely to cause autism. Rather, they appear to increase a child’s risk for developing autism when combined with genetic factors,” NIEHS says.


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16 Apr 2023, 10:59 pm

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Hmm… Most people don’t go to the trouble of getting a restraining order unless it’s warranted. I wonder what all his “annoying” behavior entailed. I can’t feel sorry for him about that without knowing more information.


ya, even though he did share me details, thats difficult or very hard to assess unless someone else witnesses that behavior in person first-hand, he claims he is high functioning autism, but it sounds like, or it just won't surprise me, he has other mental issues as well, and won't surprise me at all if him being born premature contributed to that. Anyway, i can't help but feel sorry for him, he told me after that restraining order, he got a mental/emotional breakdown, was crying very hard, ended up in a mental hospital.

Another thing, he doesn't have a car, has never had a car or drivers license, which reminds me, not all autistic people, but i've noticed that a large portion of them, don't have cars or drivers licenses.



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23 Apr 2023, 2:41 pm

ya it won't surprise me if being born premature, is a contributing factor to ones mental development and social development, on how to navigate social situations, understand people socially, etc.