Proposal to bring back “Combating Autism” legislation
“I’m against autism cure because this will happen”
Or
“I’m against vaccines because you’ll be forced to take them”
All these claims can be answered with maybe they will maybe they won’t but that’s not a valid reason because it’s an unproven claim and separate debate.
These advocates therefore don’t really have a valid societal claim to restrict things for others
If such a debate reached a court room like the Supreme Court for example any straw man claim like this would be thrown out as invalid.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qMzY_-ZZJ ... bGxhY3k%3D
This is not a court of law but a public policy decision. In general public policy decisions take into account a perceived future. The pro cure argument is no different. If we cure autism it is going save misery and money. Without the impairments of autism the cured peoples real personalities will come out, their skills will be given an opportunity to be fully realized.
Will it though? It's not just the cost of supports, that are getting less and less expensive anyways, it's also the contributions to society in areas where ND brains are better suited as well.
So just to offer a correction after i looked it up, the definition of Eugenics is a bit vague. My interpretation of it was improving human health, which is referenced in the Wiki explanation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
but if you google the term it is associated with the negative interpretation and has little to do with improving the health of those already here.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/eugenics
So while there probably is good and bad Eugenics all in all Eugenics is mostly a bad thing going by the definition.
Gene therapy for autism though would come under medicine or medical treatment not classed as Eugenics, simply because Autism Spectrum Disorder is officially a disorder (not all but still many). Unlike being gay which is not considered a disorder or disability .
So fixing a recognised medical disorder like the genetic causes of blindness or autism is not classed as Eugenics which is why its legal and being openly researched, as opposed to Eugenics which is illegal and is not really discussed (despite positive aspects like women taking vitamins in pregnancy for example)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6DSodmCH08
https://www.science.org/content/article ... rms-autism
_________________
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends upon the unreasonable man."
- George Bernie Shaw
ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,875
Location: Long Island, New York
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
but if you google the term it is associated with the negative interpretation and has little to do with improving the health of those already here.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/eugenics
So while there probably is good and bad Eugenics all in all Eugenics is mostly a bad thing going by the definition.
Gene therapy for autism though would come under medicine or medical treatment not classed as Eugenics, simply because Autism Spectrum Disorder is officially a disorder (not all but still many). Unlike being gay which is not considered a disorder or disability .
So fixing a recognised medical disorder like the genetic causes of blindness or autism is not classed as Eugenics which is why its legal and being openly researched, as opposed to Eugenics which is illegal and is not really discussed (despite positive aspects like women taking vitamins in pregnancy for example)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6DSodmCH08
https://www.science.org/content/article ... rms-autism
"Bad eugenics" is trying to prevent the "unfit" from being born. "Good Eugenics" is an attempt to improve the human race through breeding. Towards that goal "Better Babies" and "Fitter Families" contests were popular in America during the first half of the 20th century.
Fitter Families Contest - Eugenics Archive
This was exactly the concept behind Fitter Families for Future Firesides — known simply as Fitter Families Contests. The contests were founded by Mary T. Watts and Florence Brown Sherbon — two pioneers of the Baby Health Examination movement, which sprang from a "Better Baby" contest at the 1911 Iowa State Fair and spread to 40 states before World War I. The first Fitter Family Contest was held at the Kansas State Free Fair in 1920. With support from the American Eugenics Society's Committee on Popular Education, the contests were held at numerous fairs throughout the United States during the 1920s.
At most contests, competitors submitted an "Abridged Record of Family Traits," and a team of medical doctors performed psychological and physical exams on family members. Each family member was given an overall letter grade of eugenic health, and the family with the highest grade average was awarded a silver trophy. Trophies were typically awarded in three family categories: small (1 child), medium (2-4 children), and large (5 or more children).
All contestants with a B+ or better received bronze medals bearing the inscription, "Yea, I have a goodly heritage." Childless couples were eligible for prizes in contests held in some states. As expected, the Fitter Families Contest mirrored the eugenics movement itself; winners were invariably White with western and northern European heritage.
When parents decide to abort a fetus because testing shows the baby will be born with Down's Syndrome this is sometimes known as "Consumer Eugenics". Gene Editing technology is a potential boon to "Consumer Eugenics".
_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity
“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
but if you google the term it is associated with the negative interpretation and has little to do with improving the health of those already here.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/eugenics
So while there probably is good and bad Eugenics all in all Eugenics is mostly a bad thing going by the definition.
Gene therapy for autism though would come under medicine or medical treatment not classed as Eugenics, simply because Autism Spectrum Disorder is officially a disorder (not all but still many). Unlike being gay which is not considered a disorder or disability .
So fixing a recognised medical disorder like the genetic causes of blindness or autism is not classed as Eugenics which is why its legal and being openly researched, as opposed to Eugenics which is illegal and is not really discussed (despite positive aspects like women taking vitamins in pregnancy for example)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6DSodmCH08
https://www.science.org/content/article ... rms-autism
"Bad eugenics" is trying to prevent the "unfit" from being born. "Good Eugenics" is an attempt to improve the human race through breeding. Towards that goal "Better Babies" and "Fitter Families" contests were popular in America during the first half of the 20th century.
Fitter Families Contest - Eugenics Archive
This was exactly the concept behind Fitter Families for Future Firesides — known simply as Fitter Families Contests. The contests were founded by Mary T. Watts and Florence Brown Sherbon — two pioneers of the Baby Health Examination movement, which sprang from a "Better Baby" contest at the 1911 Iowa State Fair and spread to 40 states before World War I. The first Fitter Family Contest was held at the Kansas State Free Fair in 1920. With support from the American Eugenics Society's Committee on Popular Education, the contests were held at numerous fairs throughout the United States during the 1920s.
At most contests, competitors submitted an "Abridged Record of Family Traits," and a team of medical doctors performed psychological and physical exams on family members. Each family member was given an overall letter grade of eugenic health, and the family with the highest grade average was awarded a silver trophy. Trophies were typically awarded in three family categories: small (1 child), medium (2-4 children), and large (5 or more children).
All contestants with a B+ or better received bronze medals bearing the inscription, "Yea, I have a goodly heritage." Childless couples were eligible for prizes in contests held in some states. As expected, the Fitter Families Contest mirrored the eugenics movement itself; winners were invariably White with western and northern European heritage.
When parents decide to abort a fetus because testing shows the baby will be born with Down's Syndrome this is sometimes known as "Consumer Eugenics". Gene Editing technology is a potential boon to "Consumer Eugenics".
Yes eugenics is all about breeding the supposed right people it’s got little to do with medicine or helping people.
In fact it’s the opposite as the intention of a eugenics is to ensure healthy strong people are born thus won’t need medical treatment
I didn’t know much about the subject of eugenics so thought it may include medicine too which it largely does not which is why I wrote a correction after
But like I say gene therapy for autism isn’t considered eugenics as autism is officially a disability or medical disorder so attempting to reduce or fix it is considered medicine and is legal.
_________________
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends upon the unreasonable man."
- George Bernie Shaw
I would argue that eugenics done right is a foundation of moral morality while slavery is one of the least moral things.
Eugenics done wrong would be either killing people for having the wrong genes, or choosing the wrong criterion to filter genes by.
Eugenics done right would be sterilizations and the correct genetic criterions.
For a soul to be born into a body they don't want in a society they didn't consent to is akin to slavery.
ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,875
Location: Long Island, New York
Eugenics done wrong would be either killing people for having the wrong genes, or choosing the wrong criterion to filter genes by.
Eugenics done right would be sterilizations and the correct genetic criterions.
For a soul to be born into a body they don't want in a society they didn't consent to is akin to slavery.
One's genes do not totally predict how someone's life will be.
_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity
“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman
Eugenics done wrong would be either killing people for having the wrong genes, or choosing the wrong criterion to filter genes by.
Eugenics done right would be sterilizations and the correct genetic criterions.
For a soul to be born into a body they don't want in a society they didn't consent to is akin to slavery.
I don’t agree with sterilizations or eugenics in general
The whole point of gene editing makes such things redundant in the future.
It allows all people to be born free of disability and sickness because it doesn’t matter what genes they have any faults can be fixed
People would be free of the unfair way nature gives at birth high intelligence and good health to some but not others.
Probably one of the worst natural discriminations there is.
_________________
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends upon the unreasonable man."
- George Bernie Shaw
ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,875
Location: Long Island, New York
Not totally either. Outcomes short-term, longterm etc. are often determined by a multitude of factors.
_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity
“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman
Similar Topics | |
---|---|
Meta to bring back facial recognition technology |
25 Oct 2024, 11:24 pm |
Been Away for about 2 years, back |
30 Sep 2024, 9:17 pm |
Under what circumstances would you get back with an ex? |
14 Oct 2024, 5:57 am |
Going Back to School |
28 Oct 2024, 3:56 pm |