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28 Apr 2023, 1:51 am

This Keyboard Lets People Type So Fast It’s Banned From Typing Competitions

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3abavv/ ... mpetitions

First I've seen/heard of this thing. Interesting.


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28 Apr 2023, 2:13 am

Somehow, not surprising.

Someone invents a device that makes all previous devices obsolete, and the first response is a hostile one.

Cheating?

Only by the ad hoc rule Monkeytype made up just to keep their more "traditional" typists happy.

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28 Apr 2023, 3:52 am

goldfish21 wrote:
This Keyboard Lets People Type So Fast It’s Banned From Typing Competitions

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3abavv/ ... mpetitions

First I've seen/heard of this thing. Interesting.


I don't think I would have the coordination to use it.
I can hardly "hunt and peck". :mrgreen:



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28 Apr 2023, 5:46 am

Fnord wrote:
Somehow, not surprising.

Someone invents a device that makes all previous devices obsolete, and the first response is a hostile one.

Cheating?

Only by the ad hoc rule Monkeytype made up just to keep their more "traditional" typists happy.

:roll:


It sounds no different than how motorsports has homologation rules.

The rules define what's fair competition and what's not. You can't run a turbo V6 in NASCAR, you must run one in F1. Apparently you can't run that keyboard in those competitions. Thems the rules.


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28 Apr 2023, 6:04 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Somehow, not surprising.  Someone invents a device that makes all previous devices obsolete, and the first response is a hostile one.  Cheating?  Only by the ad hoc rule Monkeytype made up just to keep their more "traditional" typists happy.
It sounds no different than how motorsports has homologation rules.  The rules define what's fair competition and what's not. You can't run a turbo V6 in NASCAR, you must run one in F1. Apparently you can't run that keyboard in those competitions. Thems the rules.
That is like hobbling all the runners in a footrace so that none can run faster than 8kph (5mph), or like telling all the union line workers to meet (but not exceed) the same quota every day -- a quota that can be easily met in the first half of an 8-hour shift.

It is also the reason why motorsports and union line-work are two of my least favorite activities -- the rules prohibit you from doing your best because otherwise you are outperforming everybody else.



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28 Apr 2023, 6:16 am

Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Somehow, not surprising.  Someone invents a device that makes all previous devices obsolete, and the first response is a hostile one.  Cheating?  Only by the ad hoc rule Monkeytype made up just to keep their more "traditional" typists happy.
It sounds no different than how motorsports has homologation rules.  The rules define what's fair competition and what's not. You can't run a turbo V6 in NASCAR, you must run one in F1. Apparently you can't run that keyboard in those competitions. Thems the rules.
That is like hobbling all the runners in a footrace so that none can run faster than 8kph (5mph), or like telling all the union line workers to meet (but not exceed) the same quota every day -- a quota that can be easily met in the first half of an 8-hour shift.

It is also the reason why motorsports and union line-work are two of my least favorite activities -- the rules prohibit you from doing your best because otherwise you are outperforming everybody else.


It's actually the norm across organized competition.

Hockey limits the curve on your stick and the width of goaltender pads.
Pro baseball doesn't allow aluminium bats.
Combat sports have regulations regarding acceptable equipment; you can't show up with brass knuckles and body armour.
Magic The Gathering and other collectible card games ban certain cards from official, organized play.

It's like you don't understand how organized competitions work if you're bitching about them having rules that ensure fair competition.


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28 Apr 2023, 6:24 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Somehow, not surprising.  Someone invents a device that makes all previous devices obsolete, and the first response is a hostile one.  Cheating?  Only by the ad hoc rule Monkeytype made up just to keep their more "traditional" typists happy.
It sounds no different than how motorsports has homologation rules.  The rules define what's fair competition and what's not. You can't run a turbo V6 in NASCAR, you must run one in F1. Apparently you can't run that keyboard in those competitions. Thems the rules.
That is like hobbling all the runners in a footrace so that none can run faster than 8kph (5mph), or like telling all the union line workers to meet (but not exceed) the same quota every day -- a quota that can be easily met in the first half of an 8-hour shift.

It is also the reason why motorsports and union line-work are two of my least favorite activities -- the rules prohibit you from doing your best because otherwise you are outperforming everybody else.


It's actually the norm across organized competition.

Hockey limits the curve on your stick and the width of goaltender pads.
Pro baseball doesn't allow aluminium bats.
Combat sports have regulations regarding acceptable equipment; you can't show up with brass knuckles and body armour.
Magic The Gathering and other collectible card games ban certain cards from official, organized play.

It's like you don't understand how organized competitions work if you're bitching about them having rules that ensure fair competition.
I understand fair competition -- either give aluminum bats to everyone or give them to no one at all.  What I do not understand is imposing rules that hobble the best players and force them to compete at the rookie level.

It is like telling the power-lifters they cannot clean-and-jerk more than 50kg (110 pounds) regardless of weight class.



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28 Apr 2023, 6:32 am

Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Somehow, not surprising.  Someone invents a device that makes all previous devices obsolete, and the first response is a hostile one.  Cheating?  Only by the ad hoc rule Monkeytype made up just to keep their more "traditional" typists happy.
It sounds no different than how motorsports has homologation rules.  The rules define what's fair competition and what's not. You can't run a turbo V6 in NASCAR, you must run one in F1. Apparently you can't run that keyboard in those competitions. Thems the rules.
That is like hobbling all the runners in a footrace so that none can run faster than 8kph (5mph), or like telling all the union line workers to meet (but not exceed) the same quota every day -- a quota that can be easily met in the first half of an 8-hour shift.

It is also the reason why motorsports and union line-work are two of my least favorite activities -- the rules prohibit you from doing your best because otherwise you are outperforming everybody else.


It's actually the norm across organized competition.

Hockey limits the curve on your stick and the width of goaltender pads.
Pro baseball doesn't allow aluminium bats.
Combat sports have regulations regarding acceptable equipment; you can't show up with brass knuckles and body armour.
Magic The Gathering and other collectible card games ban certain cards from official, organized play.

It's like you don't understand how organized competitions work if you're bitching about them having rules that ensure fair competition.
I understand fair competition -- either give aluminum bats to everyone or give them to no one at all.  What I do not understand is imposing rules that hobble the best players and force them to compete at the rookie level.

It is like telling the power-lifters they cannot clean-and-jerk more than 50kg (110 pounds) regardless of weight class.


Simple solution:
Have two types of competitions.
One with traditional keyboards and one with the new-fangled type.



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28 Apr 2023, 6:32 am

Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Somehow, not surprising.  Someone invents a device that makes all previous devices obsolete, and the first response is a hostile one.  Cheating?  Only by the ad hoc rule Monkeytype made up just to keep their more "traditional" typists happy.
It sounds no different than how motorsports has homologation rules.  The rules define what's fair competition and what's not. You can't run a turbo V6 in NASCAR, you must run one in F1. Apparently you can't run that keyboard in those competitions. Thems the rules.
That is like hobbling all the runners in a footrace so that none can run faster than 8kph (5mph), or like telling all the union line workers to meet (but not exceed) the same quota every day -- a quota that can be easily met in the first half of an 8-hour shift.

It is also the reason why motorsports and union line-work are two of my least favorite activities -- the rules prohibit you from doing your best because otherwise you are outperforming everybody else.


It's actually the norm across organized competition.

Hockey limits the curve on your stick and the width of goaltender pads.
Pro baseball doesn't allow aluminium bats.
Combat sports have regulations regarding acceptable equipment; you can't show up with brass knuckles and body armour.
Magic The Gathering and other collectible card games ban certain cards from official, organized play.

It's like you don't understand how organized competitions work if you're bitching about them having rules that ensure fair competition.
I understand fair competition -- either give aluminum bats to everyone or give them to no one at all.  What I do not understand is imposing rules that hobble the best players and force them to compete at the rookie level.

It is like telling the power-lifters they cannot clean-and-jerk more than 50kg (110 pounds) regardless of weight class.


No, it's more like everyone gets similar equipment.

I don't get to enter my recumbent against a bunch of 10 speeds either.


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28 Apr 2023, 6:37 am

funeralxempire wrote:

No, it's more like everyone gets similar equipment.

I don't get to enter my recumbent against a bunch of 10 speeds either.


So the emphasis is on a FAIR competition... 8)



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03 May 2023, 9:52 am

Pepe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
This Keyboard Lets People Type So Fast It’s Banned From Typing Competitions

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3abavv/ ... mpetitions

First I've seen/heard of this thing. Interesting.


I don't think I would have the coordination to use it.
I can hardly "hunt and peck". :mrgreen:
Same here. My typing is already very bad & I'd worry that new device would make my typing even worse.


I understand why organized competitions have rules to make things somewhat fair. Winning should be based on performance, ability, skill, talent, body type, &/or effort instead of who can receive access to what special equipment or other devices. I think workplaces should allow them & make both keyboards an option to their employees. What should be important is that the employees get their work done efficiently instead of the exact way they get work done.


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03 May 2023, 11:22 am

Fnord wrote:
Somehow, not surprising.

Someone invents a device that makes all previous devices obsolete, and the first response is a hostile one.

Cheating?

Only by the ad hoc rule Monkeytype made up just to keep their more "traditional" typists happy.

:roll:

They dont allow heavy wieght boxers to fight lightwieghts. And in NO weightclass do they allow you to use a sword in the boxing ring. But you're required to use a sword in fencing, but in fencing they dont allow to use a pistol and shoot your opponent. And they only allow you to use a longbow in archery competitions, and not crossbows (because the later are too accurate). And so on.

They might set up a second typing competition ...just for...folks using this new fangled keyboard- to compete against each other. But in the meantime it makes sense to bar its use in what they have now.



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12 Jul 2023, 7:17 am

Fnord wrote:
Somehow, not surprising.

Someone invents a device that makes all previous devices obsolete, and the first response is a hostile one.

Cheating?

Only by the ad hoc rule Monkeytype made up just to keep their more "traditional" typists happy.

:roll:

Just like how they banned recumbent bikes from competition cycling.


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12 Jul 2023, 7:29 am

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Hockey limits the curve on your stick and the width of goaltender pads.
Phooey! I could be the world's greatest goal tender if they'd permit me wear pads that are wider than the goal.


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12 Jul 2023, 9:46 am

I wonder who will buy this.
If the goal is to take dictation you could use text-to-speech. If the goal is to type fast for an author - original content from your brain - what would 500 words per minute do for you. Transcribing written text could be done with ocr at speeds faster than 500 wpm. What is the error rate compared to ocr or text to speech?
Or is the goal just to win competitions?

The new keyboard allows chorded input - this gets beyond normal typing. It makes me think of other input methods that differ from typing.

What would it be like using it to write computer source code?


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