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17 Jul 2023, 10:02 am

I don't find that odd at all! I struggled all my life with visual and hearing understanding, always seemed to be a couple of beats behind in everything except when I could read something! Years later at age 68 as part of my neurological testing I learned that I have visual and audio processing disorders, with my only processing 25 percent of what I see (especially if it is in action) and 35 percent of what I hear. So if somebody is giving me instructions and "talking me through it" as they visually demonstrate, I am almost sure to miss most of what they are telling me. My processing is simply too slow! I find I can't watch tv or movies for the most part because of the same things. I read easily and well, and understand clearly. I can read maps and charts and graphs, but put that stuff in motion and talk out loud about it all, and I am easily lost! Its just another form of neurology, and my vision and hearing are not reliable, so I mostly refer to reading and writing to understand my world. Forums like this one are a gift for people like me! You are definitely not alone.


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18 Jul 2023, 11:35 am

And this thread is an example of where I explained this phenomenon and gave the answer to it in a previous comment :wink:


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18 Jul 2023, 11:54 am

KitLily wrote:
The other VERY IMPORTANT THING is.

Humans have different learning styles. This is hard-wired into our brains and we cannot change it. I worked in education for 10 years so I know this is true and I used the knowledge with my students, giving them different resources to learn with according to their style.

Some of us are visual learners- images, maps, diagrams.

Some of us are auditory learners- listening and speaking.

Some of us learn via reading and writing- copious note takers and/or avid readers.

Some of us are kinaesthetic learners- hands-on, they learn best through figuring things out by physically doing the task.

None of these ways is better or worse than any other. So anyone worrying that they can't take in information in a certain way- don't! You're normal, you just learn better in a certain way.

I'm generally a visual/reading&writing learner. I used to get angry with myself for not understanding spoken information and being able to follow it, but when I found out the information about learning styles, I realised I was just normal.

https://teach.com/what/teachers-know/learning-styles/

Honestly, there's little to no research supporting learning styles and what research does exist tends to indicate that it's not a real thing as the same people that claim to have a learning style uniformly violate that when given their own choice of how to deal with things. If, somebody is at a point where they need information in one way or another, that's not a learning style, there is something going on that ideally would be diagnosed and treated.

Furthermore, the more educated people get, the less such things even matter as we're all exposed to information in different ways.

In this case, I would look at working memory first as that's the most likely explanation. Another is that the information is too complicated to be given in such a fashion. Which would both be common issues around here. This pretty much all looks like it's more of an executive functioning/sensory processing thing.
KitLily wrote:
And this thread is an example of where I explained this phenomenon and gave the answer to it in a previous comment :wink:

TBH, I'm sorry that I'm a bit too tired today to give citations, but you're not entirely wrong, but if we're talking about requiring the brain to rewire, that's not learning styles that's the realm of possible learning disorders and intellectual disability.



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18 Jul 2023, 4:17 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:

Honestly, there's little to no research supporting learning styles and what research does exist tends to indicate that it's not a real thing as the same people that claim to have a learning style uniformly violate that when given their own choice of how to deal with things. If, somebody is at a point where they need information in one way or another, that's not a learning style, there is something going on that ideally would be diagnosed and treated.

Furthermore, the more educated people get, the less such things even matter as we're all exposed to information in different ways.



I'll openly admit I'm not as educated as you. Much of that is due to 'bullying related trauma' which has, apart from a brief attempt at a correspondence course,put me off pursuing further education. I'll also openly admit that my main EF deficits are organising and planning.

However with a median score of 147 on psychometrician created and normed tests - I'm very far from daft.



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18 Jul 2023, 6:32 pm

firemonkey wrote:
MatchboxVagabond wrote:

Honestly, there's little to no research supporting learning styles and what research does exist tends to indicate that it's not a real thing as the same people that claim to have a learning style uniformly violate that when given their own choice of how to deal with things. If, somebody is at a point where they need information in one way or another, that's not a learning style, there is something going on that ideally would be diagnosed and treated.

Furthermore, the more educated people get, the less such things even matter as we're all exposed to information in different ways.



I'll openly admit I'm not as educated as you. Much of that is due to 'bullying related trauma' which has, apart from a brief attempt at a correspondence course,put me off pursuing further education. I'll also openly admit that my main EF deficits are organising and planning.

However with a median score of 147 on psychometrician created and normed tests - I'm very far from daft.

If I've left you with the notion that I think you're daft, please accept my apologies, I didn't intend to imply that. My point was that learning styles don't work like that, there's something else going on if the disparity is that significant. They're more descriptive of the ways in which people say they learn and the ways they handle easy lessons, not necessarily what people do.

It gets sort of complicated, but as people learn more in more different subjects, they get more experience and more comfort using different types of learning in order to master the material. Trying to study art without pictures would be rather ineffective. When the subject has been studied, whether it's in classrooms or away from formal educational settings pretty much everybody violates their stated preferences regularly and not even in a consistent way.

I think this should help explain a bit more clearly the point that I'm making about the learning styles. https://educationonline.ku.edu/communit ... ed-to-know



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18 Jul 2023, 7:12 pm

^ I apologise for being so defensive. When you've had so many people treat you as though you're stupid,when you're not,let's just say that knee jerk paranoia can easily occur.

I am aware of the debunking of 'learning styles'. That using a learning style a student prefers doesn't necessarily result in improved academic performance.



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18 Jul 2023, 7:54 pm

firemonkey wrote:
^ I apologise for being so defensive. When you've had so many people treat you as though you're stupid,when you're not,let's just say that knee jerk paranoia can easily occur.

I am aware of the debunking of 'learning styles'. That using a learning style a student prefers doesn't necessarily result in improved academic performance.

Don't worry about it. Happens to the best of us.



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19 Jul 2023, 3:27 am

I find that a bit strange because there is lots of research on learning styles, or there wouldn't be enough research to say whether they are or aren't valid. All the schools and colleges I worked in used it as a matter of course.

Maybe it's changed since I worked in education about 10 years ago, but it seems plain to me that people learn differently, they take in information differently. Otherwise why would information be presented differently? We'd all learn from written words (for example) and there would be no need to present information in video/ audio/ kinaesthetic styles.

I think it's better to just accept people are different to each other. Humans are a very varied species and our brains differ from person to person. It's just how it is. There's no point beating yourself up because you're different to the person next to you.


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