Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries

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I'll probably quote that someday, and I'll keep that in mind if I ever need to carry a concealed pistol in California.

They ban guns. You give up your guns, surrender or die. If i was to bet on it id go with you giving them up.

Most guns aren't registered here.

The sale of a powerful gun and buyer arent usually registered? Really? They wont be banned in tak's lifetime anyway so the question is purely hypothetical.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. Look at how quickly Australia banned them.

They dont have guns written into the constitution, such a pro-gun history or a powerful gun lobby as the US. It would be a vastly expensive operation in terms of finance and lives and it would lead to mass unpopularity and possible assasination attempts of any politician that tries to inact a ban on guns. Any possible ban on guns in the US is very unlikely for a long time imo.

I want a gun like Judge Dredd's that makes people burn up.

And then die from criminals who still have guns or knives or what have you. Criminals don't obey the the law so banning something has no effect except to disarm the law abiding. We need to do the opposite of that.... disarm the criminals and arm the law abiding citizens. I do support gun control for criminals, but not for anyone else.

Guns help women and the crippled defend themselves whereas otherwise they'd be raped or killed. If a criminal gets shot and killed by a civilian that is a good thing and he or she should receive a medal. It isn't murder, and it isn't wrong.

The founding fathers were wise to guarantee the right to bare arms into the constitution, and I believe this should be a basic human right in every country. The U.N. if it was good for anything would condemn countries which deprive their citizens of arms.

It's not just for protection against crime, it is also for protection against tyranny. One of the stupidest things ever done was when Poland declared martial law and had every citizen turn in their guns before the Nazis invaded. That left the entire country vulnerable once the Polish military fell, and that is why the Warsaw uprising failed. Imagine if every citizen in Europe who opposed Hitler was armed with a machine gun and sufficient ammunition.

In fact, one of Hitler's first actions upon seizing power was to ban guns. Anyone who opposes Hitler and what he did should therefore oppose Gun Bans, because gun bans is what Hitler did and it made Hitler's genocide so much easier.

That is in poor taste saying that people that are anti-Hitler should be ant-gun. It's also an oversimplification. These guns dont stop robberies rapes etc because crims can just act like a normal person before walloping the old people and cripples and taking they're money. In fact the guns are raising the stakes and it is making criminals more forceful and brutal than they would if there was no guns involved.

Despite having guns the US has most of the rundown, crime ridden ghettos in the "developed" world with much higher incidence of all of these crimes you seem to be making out the guns are stopping. How many British prime Ministers have been assasinated compared to Presidents killed by the good citizens of the US? By far the most gun crimes in the US are with those legally bought. Britain woke up to the fact that it isnt criminals that commit school massacres, it is the legal gun owners.

Guns sure didnt help stop the criminals run riot in New Orleans with lootings, rapings etc. In fact the guns there helped the crims run the place and then shoot at the rescue teams. People were being robbed and raped inside the astrodome and the national guard were too afraid to go in and do anything about it in case they got shot.What you dont seem to get is that it is your average Joe that commits a lot of the gun killings in the US, a lot of them accidently.

The fact remains that there is a lot of irresponsible people out there and im glad i stay in a country that they dont have a shooter at the ready. Enjoy you're "right" to use guns (i certainly would) but dont try to make out it makes for a safer society because it clearly and evidently doesnt. Some of the guns on sale are anything but sporting rifles either. A lot of them are clearly designed for mass killing power.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc. all the great tyrants in history believed in Gun control, and for good reason. Here are some quotes:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler

"For the first time in history does a nation have complete gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient. The world will follow our lead in the future." - Adolph Hitler, 15 April 1935, in address to the Reichstag

"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." ~Mao Tse Tung, "Selected Works of Mao Zedong"

If someone breaks into your house in the night, would you rather have a gun in your hand or a police man on the phone? Be honest. You might be able to fight off the intruder with a knife or a base ball bat, but if you are crippled or weak then you need a gun. There are too many stories of police receiving a call and by the time they get there they find an entire family murdered.



The crime would still be there even if guns magically disappeared. People would just bash each other with clubs or stab with knives or make home made bombs or whatever. Guns can be used to commit crimes, but so can many other things.

If you want to fight the crime, fix the root causes of it. Maybe it is because people are poor, maybe it is because there are no jobs, maybe it is because of prejudice, etc. It isn't the fault of guns... you have to fix the root problem.



They wouldn't be robbed and raped so much if the innocent people had guns and could fend off their attackers. And yeah, there were some bad people shooting at rescue teams and I will agree with you that criminals like that shouldn't have guns, but innocent people should be allowed to. People who shot at the rescue teams should have been shot at in return... maybe the rescue teams should have been armed.



Perhaps you missed the topic of this thread, which was that Scotland is the most violent place in the world despite not allowing any guns. Could it be that guns are not the cause of crime, that they are just a tool which can be used for defense or for evil depending on who has it? The same is true with knives, baseball bats, hammers, you name it. Should all these things be banned because they might be used for harm?

I would rather just use a baseball bat if my property was under attack, i have before without killing people. Most robbers just run away if you shout but i can see that it would be helpful for a cripple to have a gun just in case but cripples get carers here thanks to our more generous social security system though they cant be there all the time.

I dont believe for one minute that Scotland is more violent than the US or Northern Ireland just that people in these countries dont have as much faith in the police and know that "grassing" on people are more likely to lead to your death in these gangster controlled, gun-ridden, militia ridden countries.