Have you managed autistic traits successfully?

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__Elijahahahaho
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30 Jul 2024, 10:33 am

I read in a book by Tony Attwood that some autists
eventually learn to mask to the extent that they can get
"written off" as NT, and basically function in any situation provided they manage themselves.

He then provided a reference for the diagnosis to be disregarded for a job
that require able-bodied people.

I guess this is not the case for many, and it probably changes as you age.



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30 Jul 2024, 11:46 am

__Elijahahahaho wrote:
I read in a book by Tony Attwood that some autists
eventually learn to mask to the extent that they can get
"written off" as NT, and basically function in any situation provided they manage themselves.

He then provided a reference for the diagnosis to be disregarded for a job
that require able-bodied people.

I guess this is not the case for many, and it probably changes as you age.


Never give up is my advice, you just have to work with the cards you are dealt and do as best you can. Socializing tends to be taxing for me and not fun, so some things I do not like to do, such as going out and carousing, or attend parties, or attend church, so, laster in life I opt not to do them. It is not likely that a lightning bolt is going to strike me in the head and make me start enjoying parties, bars, or churches.

I had difficulty in the early years, with meltdowns and difficulty relating to others, but improved later on in life. Key is to maintain continual exposure to other people ( neurotypicals ), best through work ( earn $ ) and to maintain a humble attitude. You can develop self-esteem through work and earning money in our society and gain respect from others.

NT's have to be humble, Aspies have to be VERY humble. My strategy was to adopt the Christian ethos and "turn the other cheek," because it is proven and works. Being nicer than you have to be in a good policy and also not to hold grudges and to forgive quickly. You just be the gentle person you are, and people will make room for you when you need to avoid the loud noises and commotion sometimes. They will not be so critical about your limitations if you are accepting of theirs.

Still today I do not have friends outside of work, but I have adapted to this by having two cats, and get along very well with people AT work. So, that is my two cents, hope it helps someone out there.



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30 Jul 2024, 12:10 pm

"No".

I don't 'manage autism'.
In social aspects, I just grow better than 'be more NT-like'. :o

Whether by sheer amount of data in interactions and observation within my current locale...

Or overcoming certain beliefs and afflictions that are nothing to do with autism (but are very much to do with being a damn human), but will exacerbate the negative aspects of autism and overall my neurology along with it's functions if I let it be.


I don't mask.
I have the privilege to choose not to.


One of my 'workarounds' is to get out of "survival mode".
Not even many of able bodied NTs are privileged enough to do that.


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30 Jul 2024, 12:13 pm

I don't manage. The more I see how NTs act, the more I prefer having ASD.



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01 Aug 2024, 3:24 pm

At 53, I have learned to mask so well that most of my colleagues do not know I am autistic until I tell them.

This is a double-edged sword.

On the one hand, it's easier to hold down a job. On the other, my colleagues don't understand the enormous effort I make just to appear normal. They don't understand I have limitations they do not, that things which are simple for them are really stressful for me.

So, after all these years, now that I have enough coping mechanisms that I can almost pass for normal ... I tell them I am autistic because it is better for us all if they know.



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01 Aug 2024, 3:38 pm

Masking can lead too to much stress and burnout.

It is better to get a "back room" job where you don't have to mask.
Auto painters need someone to prepare the car for painting. This is hard work.
Someone on the spectrum would be ideal.
Not only can they do a good job, there is little danger of them stealing the painter's job!



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01 Aug 2024, 4:37 pm

Manage, meaning mask? No. I don't want to do that and I'm unable regardless.

Manage, meaning cope with it and understand myself without feeling upset? Yes.


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02 Aug 2024, 12:51 pm

Stormyweathers wrote:
At 53, I have learned to mask so well that most of my colleagues do not know I am autistic until I tell them.

This is a double-edged sword.

On the one hand, it's easier to hold down a job. On the other, my colleagues don't understand the enormous effort I make just to appear normal. They don't understand I have limitations they do not, that things which are simple for them are really stressful for me.

So, after all these years, now that I have enough coping mechanisms that I can almost pass for normal ... I tell them I am autistic because it is better for us all if they know.


I have always been pretty close to this in the sense of "seeming pretty normal", probably partly because people just dismiss me as quirky, but I consistently get 160s on the RAADS, and have had multiple burnouts.. usual story.
I am developing a program to help me master "second-order" social interactions, then I think I will be able to be extremely effective, but it's been a f*****g slog.

My life would have been much happier if I found a trusted group and focused on my interests, but I didn't want to be helpless and I had a long string of bad relationships.



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04 Aug 2024, 2:31 pm

It may help to find a special interest group where you can be kind and helpful.
Often, we can be a resource of knowledge. :D



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04 Aug 2024, 3:19 pm

Stage of life thing. I developed skills, I masked, I burnt out. Now I am "unmasking" - what a relief. Like everything - mask enough to make others comfortable enough and -new to me- unmask enough so that I am comfortable. Like the PP, I was working so very hard (masking). Can I "manage" my autistic traits? Sure. I can do so appearing to be NT (e.g. modulating my responses and eye contact), under the right conditions. Is it healthy for me? No. I can do so appearing as not NT (e.g. wearing noise-cancelling headphones or ear buds). Does that "pass"? No. Pick my poison. :twisted:



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04 Aug 2024, 4:11 pm

BTDT wrote:
Masking can lead too to much stress and burnout.

It is better to get a "back room" job where you don't have to mask.
Auto painters need someone to prepare the car for painting. This is hard work.
Someone on the spectrum would be ideal.
Not only can they do a good job, there is little danger of them stealing the painter's job!


I spent many years as a registered cabler. I installed phone lines, satellite dishes and microwave links as a subcontractor.
My supervisor knew I was aspie, so I didn't have to mask for him.
My customers didn't need much masking. Once you've got your spiel worked out you generally only need minor variations to deal with most customers.
You spend half your time on the roof... alone, a quarter in the ceiling cavity...alone, and for the final interior work you have the customer instruction speech.

At parties, I try to find somewhere to perch, out of the way, close to a high traffic area.
I'll bop and watch everyone, smiling at anyone interesting. I have problems talking to anyone in noisy environments (and where anyone else can hear), so if someone strikes up a conversation I try to lead them outside.
At gigs and concerts I can enjoy myself when the band is playing...as nobody is trying to interact with me (apart from bouncing off me in the mosh pit, or catching me when stage diving.) It's harder when anyone tries to talk to me at a venue because it's so hard to find somewhere quiet. I tend not to try masking because it seems unnecessary. There is the solidarity of the puffed and sweaty (No?... Then you're not dancing hard enough.)
I actually get approached by girls if I let my inner confusion shine through.

The trait that needs managing most often is the freakout override.
I think I've been chasing the adrenaline buzz most of my life to learn how to overcome decision paralysis.
"OMG... There's no way I could do that...SUCK IT UP PRINCESS! Just put one foot forward. Ok...now the other one"



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04 Aug 2024, 6:09 pm

I don't know what autistic traits you're referring to.
I've worked in places with a large number of staff for many years and I've noticed a lot of them have similar 'traits' to the ND.
I did train myself not to stim - well, not noticeably anyway.
I limit exposure to too much socialisation by stepping out at lunch.
I ask for quieter spaces to work.
I don't email or message work outside of work hours.
For the rest, I don't think I'm that different from my coworkers.


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