Heaven, Hell, and punishment.

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He sounds kinda like a bully to me, do as I say and not as I do? do this or else?
no matter what your wrong until I say your right?
you will do things my way or your just rotting flesh?
Is this not kinda like terrorism?
like, its my way or hell, no other way but by me and my word and values and faiths.
I guard this gate and non may pass except by me and the only other gate is hell.
is not terrorism what the USA is now declaring what they will never bow down too?

me thinks, I have to agree, Ill not bow to terrorism ether,
I wouldn't want my eternal leader to be a terrorist/bully, I had rather fade out of existence first.

I think that everyone has the right to express their opinions provided they aren't hate speech. But that doesn't make opinion into truth.

Yes, I agree with both of you.

Forgive me for saying, but isnt having a faith in something that cannot be proven the opposite of being rational? It doesnt mean that said person is right or wrong, but do you agree with this statement?

Tom, you got the second part of my statement all wrong. Please go back and re-read it, thats not what I meant.

I'd also like to add that if you believe that god will send those to hell for not accepting him based on their faiths, and also interpretation of him, then you also open yourself up to being sent to hell. Even Christianity has many different sects that interpret god a little different. What if you were in the wrong one? You just open up a slippery slope where everyone gets screwed over and only a small portion of the population ends up going to heaven. Seeing how small your odds are - that person probably is not going to be you.

Here is some background on the fundamentalist movement.
http://www.answers.com/topic/fundamenta ... ristianity

People have been spouting this stuff for so long now, that it is taken as "true christianity." It's a relatively recent development. If you want to understand christianity, I think a better source would be the writings of the saints and mystics. Not middle class americans in an industrial society.

I wasn't talking about fundamentalist christianity in the slightest, all mainstream Christianity has this as an essential part of their belief structure. I might not have expressed myself particularly eloquently, but the same basics remain. Go pop over to the vatican and chat with the pope, go and chat with your local minister, and I'm sure they'll tell you the same thing.

EDIT: Just to clarify, when I said

I was not talking about various interpretations of the bible, I was talking about the whole 'if you are not Christian you are going to hell' thing. You will not find any mainstream Christianity that debates this issue. They will all tell you that you are either a christian or you go to hell.



Not really- It can't be disproven either. It's not about proof, it's about faith. If there was proof there would be no need for faith.

I personally do not believe in a Hell.

I believe in a Resurrection of the Dead.

I believe that God will Restore this World. ( New World )

So thats what I believe.

Also it is important to mention that from alot of what Ive read (outside of Dantes Inferno there isnt that much actually on hell) most people in hell seem to end up in limbo so nothing bad happens to them besides for being seperated from a God they dont believe in :-/.